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Hi Paul,

  what was it about the proposal section discussing Tuscany that confused
you?  I think what we were trying to say is that this work belongs in a
project of it own,  since Tuscany has a so much wider scope than this, and
the overall aims of the proposal are quite different. The new project
requires an environment where it can focus on the clear aim of implementing
this JSR RI and TCK, or future versions, without the distractions that would
come with being part of a larger project; needing to address the community
issues that having a wider remit would require.

Kelvin.

On 31/01/2008, Paul Fremantle <pzfreo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Kelvin, NoNameProposers
>
> Maybe no-one has responded yet because no-one wants to ask the hard
> questions! So here I go:
>
> Perhaps you can explain why this effort isn't being rolled into the
> Tuscany work.
>
> There are some obvious reasons why I am confused by this proposal:
>
> 1. Tuscany already has the objective of producing code for SDO, and
> already has code for SDO.
> 2. Tuscany was another proposal to the IPMC predominantly coming from
> IBM and BEA employees.
> 3. The BEA committers left Tuscany and created a fork elsewhere
> 3. Tuscany has been identified as lacking diversity.
>
> Why will this project gain diversity when Tuscany is finding it hard?
> This move seems designed to make it even harder for both Tuscany and
> NNYP to get diversity by splitting the pool of potential committers
> even more thinly.
>
> I did read the paragraph on the relationship to Tuscany but I'm afraid
> I came out more confused.
>
> I'm sure there are more hard questions but I think that's enough to be
> going on with.
>
> Regards,
> Paul
>
> On Jan 31, 2008 9:47 AM, kelvin goodson <kelvingoodson@apache.org> wrote:
> > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NoNameYetProposal
> >
> > That's what you get for employing reuse tactics -- gmail remembers the
> > original URL.  I've been caught by this before, so I thought I had taken
> > appropriate action to avoid this behaviour, but sadly not so, apologies.
> > Kelvin
> >
> > On 31/01/2008, kelvin goodson <kelvingoodson@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > We've posted an Apache Incubator proposal onto the incubator wiki
> > >
> > > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NoNameYetProposal
> > >
> > > We haven't got a good name yet,  SandStorm is a contender, as is
> Snowdon
> > >
> > > Suggestions and comments welcome,
> > >
> > > Kelvin.
> > >
> > > <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ThriftProposal>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Paul Fremantle
> Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2
> OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair
>
> blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org
> paul@wso2.com
>
> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com
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