From general-return-17344-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Thu Feb 07 16:58:16 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 21167 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2008 16:58:16 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 7 Feb 2008 16:58:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 66392 invoked by uid 500); 7 Feb 2008 16:58:07 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 66242 invoked by uid 500); 7 Feb 2008 16:58:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: moderator for general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 2268 invoked by uid 99); 7 Feb 2008 16:27:13 -0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=10.0 tests=SPF_HELO_PASS,SPF_NEUTRAL X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (nike.apache.org: local policy) Message-ID: <47AB31C2.9090802@shanecurcuru.org> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 11:28:50 -0500 From: Shane Curcuru User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: community@apache.org, general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Thrift] References: <1202392455.7203.ezmlm@apache.org> In-Reply-To: <1202392455.7203.ezmlm@apache.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms080807030106000206000305" X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19DogdHbzYMbGE+AzOZZlCvsD3bt0hN9ayn4/h O8zy4aq0dr9OQGJXiigMbGnDl5RXwBGXPtAfjsgjtpnzjbf+r7 TLCi8AFG9vtm52GGG5Pww== X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --------------ms080807030106000206000305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit community-digest-help@apache.org wrote: > "Santiago Gala" wrote: > On Feb 2, 2008 2:48 PM, Leo Simons wrote: >> On Feb 2, 2008, at 1:20 AM, David Reiss wrote: >>> J Aaron Farr wrote: snip... >> 1. You have to use subversion. >> > > Why? Has been a vote done? where? I vote +1 for git if a vote is still open. In the short term, the reason is because Infra doesn't yet support it, and ASF projects need to be hosted at the ASF. That's not to say we shouldn't see if there are enough existing ASF committers who'd like to use git for ASF projects, and if so, try to get Infra to support it. Even though we do have (some) paid infra staff, it's still not an easy thing to deploy a completely new tool. In the medium term, I'd like to see a broader desire to use git, along with some thoughts as to why new projects need it instead of svn. I definitely understand your comments about infra needing to support projects. But I also don't think the ASF should try to be all things to all projects. I'd like to see how git users run projects differently than svn users, and make sure that it really fits with how we (the ASF) like to have consensus based community projects. git feels like a different enough way to manage the core resource of any project - the code (and/or docs, test, build, etc.) that I'd like to put some thought into having us support it, rather than just jumping in - both on the infra side (scalable repository; admin expertise), legal side (how to we track all incoming changes?) and the community side (are they close to The Mythical Apache Way?). If that means some community that's in a huge hurry wants to go build their project elsewhere, that's OK with me. You can call me an elephant sometimes, too. 8-) - Shane --------------ms080807030106000206000305 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIJQTCC AvswggJkoAMCAQICEEAm2f+9WrptErJNsHlhXEowDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UE BhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMT I1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA4MDEyNTIwNTM1MloX DTA5MDEyNDIwNTM1MlowXzEQMA4GA1UEBBMHQ3VyY3VydTEOMAwGA1UEKhMFU2hhbmUxFjAU BgNVBAMTDVNoYW5lIEN1cmN1cnUxIzAhBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWFGFzZkBzaGFuZWN1cmN1cnUu b3JnMIIBIjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQEFAAOCAQ8AMIIBCgKCAQEA2E25upt6sr85Jr67h86jekWF aS/fr6GBBSDBPTIKiUfrfZ60JzS0snjvm4Q2aO6x5TfjjAmeLRWH3qzzkSx+0VEIoWCaXZpV mZ0fqF+MLyfZTZPok5nsNEp22ibm8jIwz2tHO0siCSyqeYHrEyiK+aEFp/Yj8vd42JqBGz0F PnxMSPBqsVFWgVabQ6kozg1yNXpMD8K6Sv2P7mY5iT+/bhy61bvl08MxO/125av4EdvYUJZX TPa25nUCqlcLBhF9hhwRUBNCn37+4Q1aR2bw9msW/gXEqCOrqS5W8enS0KrOK/XpDdqgCmXY qKqUgI9gfk+A6cuQ+3ckZ+Ea09JtrQIDAQABozEwLzAfBgNVHREEGDAWgRRhc2ZAc2hhbmVj dXJjdXJ1Lm9yZzAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAG4LD7f/cQ/oRpDr 0uoB7FcvG9+PDlctcBH+8u+DqWU5gBj0/tUL/WAsW/8eurRAyOY6N3x+h7gcVxr1wPIjCQIm 02I9V+8a8FdK6jvzyrzepiaWGFu69n3pYGc/FogbgDbBjonZYNbDLuiEkOZ7XaazeibMf35J TJxYVfb1ePuYMIIC+zCCAmSgAwIBAgIQQCbZ/71aum0Ssk2weWFcSjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUF ADBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRk LjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwHhcNMDgw MTI1MjA1MzUyWhcNMDkwMTI0MjA1MzUyWjBfMRAwDgYDVQQEEwdDdXJjdXJ1MQ4wDAYDVQQq EwVTaGFuZTEWMBQGA1UEAxMNU2hhbmUgQ3VyY3VydTEjMCEGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYUYXNmQHNo YW5lY3VyY3VydS5vcmcwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDYTbm6m3qy vzkmvruHzqN6RYVpL9+voYEFIME9MgqJR+t9nrQnNLSyeO+bhDZo7rHlN+OMCZ4tFYferPOR LH7RUQihYJpdmlWZnR+oX4wvJ9lNk+iTmew0SnbaJubyMjDPa0c7SyIJLKp5gesTKIr5oQWn 9iPy93jYmoEbPQU+fExI8GqxUVaBVptDqSjODXI1ekwPwrpK/Y/uZjmJP79uHLrVu+XTwzE7 /Xblq/gR29hQlldM9rbmdQKqVwsGEX2GHBFQE0Kffv7hDVpHZvD2axb+BcSoI6upLlbx6dLQ qs4r9ekN2qAKZdioqpSAj2B+T4Dpy5D7dyRn4RrT0m2tAgMBAAGjMTAvMB8GA1UdEQQYMBaB FGFzZkBzaGFuZWN1cmN1cnUub3JnMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQCMAAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQADgYEA bgsPt/9xD+hGkOvS6gHsVy8b348OVy1wEf7y74OpZTmAGPT+1Qv9YCxb/x66tEDI5jo3fH6H uBxXGvXA8iMJAibTYj1X7xrwV0rqO/PKvN6mJpYYW7r2felgZz8WiBuANsGOidlg1sMu6ISQ 5ntdprN6Jsx/fklMnFhV9vV4+5gwggM/MIICqKADAgECAgENMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMIHR MQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlDYXBlIFRv d24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9u IFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwg Q0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNMDMw NzE3MDAwMDAwWhcNMTMwNzE2MjM1OTU5WjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhh d3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZy ZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAMSmPFVzVftO ucqZWh5owHUEcJ3f6f+jHuy9zfVb8hp2vX8MOmHyv1HOAdTlUAow1wJjWiyJFXCO3cnwK4Va qj9xVsuvPAsH5/EfkTYkKhPPK9Xzgnc9A74r/rsYPge/QIACZNenprufZdHFKlSFD0gEf6e2 0TxhBEAeZBlyYLf7AgMBAAGjgZQwgZEwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADBDBgNVHR8EPDA6 MDigNqA0hjJodHRwOi8vY3JsLnRoYXd0ZS5jb20vVGhhd3RlUGVyc29uYWxGcmVlbWFpbENB LmNybDALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwKQYDVR0RBCIwIKQeMBwxGjAYBgNVBAMTEVByaXZhdGVMYWJl bDItMTM4MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAEiM0VCD6gsuzA2jZqxnD3+vrL7CF6FDlpSdf0wh uPg2H6otnzYvwPQcUCCTcDz9reFhYsPZOhl+hLGZGwDFGguCdJ4lUJRix9sncVcljd2pnDmO jCBPZV+V2vf3h9bGCE6u9uo05RAaWzVNd+NWIXiC3CEZNd4ksdMdRv9dX2VPMYIDZDCCA2AC AQEwdjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkg THRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECEEAm 2f+9WrptErJNsHlhXEowCQYFKw4DAhoFAKCCAcMwGAYJKoZIhvcNAQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEH ATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMDgwMjA3MTYyODUwWjAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQQxFgQUuQVyugZK Paj+qH6eFi+T9OV0kQ4wUgYJKoZIhvcNAQkPMUUwQzAKBggqhkiG9w0DBzAOBggqhkiG9w0D AgICAIAwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICAUAwBwYFKw4DAgcwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICASgwgYUGCSsGAQQB gjcQBDF4MHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQ dHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENB AhBAJtn/vVq6bRKyTbB5YVxKMIGHBgsqhkiG9w0BCRACCzF4oHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0 ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhBAJtn/vVq6bRKyTbB5YVxKMA0GCSqG SIb3DQEBAQUABIIBADr5ImcinMBwQM8QdB1ZD8DflaC6F6v+XonajKUt+vgT5iDTPRWGw8kL oGbG95pe2Z8BcQHzLZofFnFqjTgskon+eJ44btApjL0BQchRxwhgXhqtMzGeQHJtffX4S/ER gR2qB679weIqF7rKkumYVpVzF3rAKkuBm2mz8iTn3jz+baaeuHN2jTSP2ZgAzfzm73ZnCmBH A0AEkwb86G1Q27w5v97fCHwxJP6oOqKcU/lj3YeBgtsB1Xvqgjk8SfdDipkZ5uAOsHFxc3AA ER4/5hoNATtolR9iJimMX+PNlhjjQ4gVTQFv48Cm2vRS3pLGO+gG9VHQ3ANZmzUS2+G/lEMA AAAAAAA= --------------ms080807030106000206000305--