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From "Paul Fremantle" <>
Subject Re: [Proposal] NoNameYet - Pluto
Date Fri, 01 Feb 2008 11:59:54 GMT

Thank you for you insights and response.

Maybe the interesting question is whether you think - based on your
experience - if is is really appropriate to try to create a JCP RI as
an Apache incubator project?


On Feb 1, 2008 11:11 AM, Stefan Hepper <> wrote:
> here my response to Endre's mail
> (
> about Pluto V 1.x:
> Due to the JCP process guidelines at that time you could not have early
> public drafts and thus you are correct that the RI got to Apache very
> late. However, we discussed this with people from Apache and we also
> went through the incubation process. It would have always been an option
> to not accept the project.
> It is not true that after the JSR was final everything stopped. In fact
> once we had finished 1.0 there was still work done to get to a more
> stable 1.0.1 release. After that the pluto community re-structed the
> code which led to the pluto 1.1 stream, so you can see that it was an
> active community not only some code drop.
> Also in my view pluto was a success, take a look at all the projects
> using the pluto container:
> about JSR 286/Pluto 2.0:
> Besides myself there are 4 people from Apache projects sitting in the
> JSR 286 EG and now that the JCP supports early public drafts we
> published early drafts more than a year ago and started the development
> of 2.0 directly at Apache. It is also based on the new 1.1 codestream
> that the Apache community created.
> I think you should also consider the view points of companies donating
> work and code to Apache. In my opinion  it would have been much cheaper
> for IBM to just put the RI out there on some server instead of going to
> Apache. We went to Apache because we wanted the portlet standard to be
> widespread and easy to adopt by everyone.
> Regards,
>      Stefan
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