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From Upayavira ...@odoko.co.uk>
Subject Re: [Proposal] NoNameYet : Link Error - please use this link
Date Fri, 01 Feb 2008 21:15:11 GMT

On Fri, 2008-02-01 at 12:37 -0800, Matthieu Riou wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2008 10:04 AM, Simon Nash <nash@hursley.ibm.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Paul Fremantle wrote:
> >
> > > Kelvin, NoNameProposers
> > >
> > > Maybe no-one has responded yet because no-one wants to ask the hard
> > > questions! So here I go:
> > >
> > > Perhaps you can explain why this effort isn't being rolled into the
> > > Tuscany work.
> > >
> > > There are some obvious reasons why I am confused by this proposal:
> > >
> > > 1. Tuscany already has the objective of producing code for SDO, and
> > > already has code for SDO.
> > > 2. Tuscany was another proposal to the IPMC predominantly coming from
> > > IBM and BEA employees.
> > > 3. The BEA committers left Tuscany and created a fork elsewhere
> > > 3. Tuscany has been identified as lacking diversity.
> > >
> > > Why will this project gain diversity when Tuscany is finding it hard?
> > > This move seems designed to make it even harder for both Tuscany and
> > > NNYP to get diversity by splitting the pool of potential committers
> > > even more thinly.
> > >
> > > I did read the paragraph on the relationship to Tuscany but I'm afraid
> > > I came out more confused.
> > >
> > > I'm sure there are more hard questions but I think that's enough to be
> > > going on with.
> > >
> > I'll jump in on the points related to Tuscany.  I don't think this new
> > incubator would necessarily harm Tuscany's diversity.  If it broadens the
> > open source community around SDO, there will more people interested
> > in SDO and they may get involved in Tuscany to improve Tuscany's SCA
> > support for SDO (as well as the many other databindings that Tuscany
> > SCA provides).
> >
> > I think it's good for this work to be done in an open community rather
> > than as an in-house collaboration between vendors.  I'm not sure why
> > the points about the history of IBM and BEA's involvement in Tuscany
> > are being raised.  The facts as stated are correct, and I'm sure the
> > IBM and BEA people putting forward this proposal are well aware of them.
> > If they have decided that they are willing to work together on this
> > project and open it to a broader community, I see this as something
> > positive that should be encouraged.
> >
> 
> And what about bringing this in Tuscany instead of creating another podling?
> Seems that the goals are similar enough to have a single project driving the
> effort and it would probably greatly improve cross-pollination.

I haven't followed this thread at all, so I could be off-base, but
surely it would need to become a podling, even if its destination were a
subproject of Tuscany?

Regards, Upayavira



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