Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 99623 invoked from network); 31 Jan 2008 14:03:00 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 31 Jan 2008 14:03:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 31544 invoked by uid 500); 31 Jan 2008 14:02:50 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 31012 invoked by uid 500); 31 Jan 2008 14:02:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 31001 invoked by uid 99); 31 Jan 2008 14:02:49 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:02:49 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of pzfreo@gmail.com designates 64.233.166.179 as permitted sender) Received: from [64.233.166.179] (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.179) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:02:19 +0000 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so800102pyi.13 for ; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:02:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=vyLJY9+4UDMtJEkQcD/LjFirwDjaJKs30COAD6ZZ/L4=; b=O3GOZNddo7Po4HOBtJh6vctjXTIkkTVpWrJzf75hV0ExYCZm4LgYxR47xnYP+r8SWGwXU+eFd8SrWFGgEb177m85fm1J4/EYUB+RtXxQT+S66iEdk4BugkdYqkc5a0zMYcdH9BhvbSNAlFCqPo5nKTGRJsqNZuC6Et6h75VTVkI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=A7HRKULtz8IvPGLt5+C9RXx4XLz0/F7pyA2GCgPQACpqqoXguhOK/uYpgMaumWpleqc/gNxBtlEcxvWgNLHm+DS9QIc82G0FC32e/pOVmVZGDxtHpVFOyKCF5AfZBhrwpRTqg1DHE9RqHagaO9aZCOyAe6WtgdiSCS9SGrTAwVg= Received: by 10.141.23.7 with SMTP id a7mr1516618rvj.5.1201788123662; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:02:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.171.8 with HTTP; Thu, 31 Jan 2008 06:02:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88f5d710801310602s2657c41cge43ae6f8343553fa@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:02:03 +0000 From: "Paul Fremantle" To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: [Proposal] NoNameYet : Link Error - please use this link In-Reply-To: <9deac9fd0801310147k15fdc2a3w28023dd5ccc1d1fa@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <9deac9fd0801310147k15fdc2a3w28023dd5ccc1d1fa@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Kelvin, NoNameProposers Maybe no-one has responded yet because no-one wants to ask the hard questions! So here I go: Perhaps you can explain why this effort isn't being rolled into the Tuscany work. There are some obvious reasons why I am confused by this proposal: 1. Tuscany already has the objective of producing code for SDO, and already has code for SDO. 2. Tuscany was another proposal to the IPMC predominantly coming from IBM and BEA employees. 3. The BEA committers left Tuscany and created a fork elsewhere 3. Tuscany has been identified as lacking diversity. Why will this project gain diversity when Tuscany is finding it hard? This move seems designed to make it even harder for both Tuscany and NNYP to get diversity by splitting the pool of potential committers even more thinly. I did read the paragraph on the relationship to Tuscany but I'm afraid I came out more confused. I'm sure there are more hard questions but I think that's enough to be going on with. Regards, Paul On Jan 31, 2008 9:47 AM, kelvin goodson wrote: > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NoNameYetProposal > > That's what you get for employing reuse tactics -- gmail remembers the > original URL. I've been caught by this before, so I thought I had taken > appropriate action to avoid this behaviour, but sadly not so, apologies. > Kelvin > > On 31/01/2008, kelvin goodson wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > We've posted an Apache Incubator proposal onto the incubator wiki > > > > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/NoNameYetProposal > > > > We haven't got a good name yet, SandStorm is a contender, as is Snowdon > > > > Suggestions and comments welcome, > > > > Kelvin. > > > > > -- Paul Fremantle Co-Founder and VP of Technical Sales, WSO2 OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair blog: http://pzf.fremantle.org paul@wso2.com "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org