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From "Robert Burrell Donkin" <robertburrelldon...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [POLICY] Streamline Setting+Up+a+New+Podling policy
Date Tue, 01 Jan 2008 16:58:01 GMT
On Dec 31, 2007 9:14 PM, Craig L Russell <Craig.Russell@sun.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Dec 31, 2007, at 5:47 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
>
> > http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/
> > Incubation_Policy.html#Setting+Up+a+New+Podling
> > falls somewhere between guideance and policy. given that process
> > mistakes have been made (eg.
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1341)
>
> This issue points out that even members of the incubator and members
> of the foundation aren't always clear on what parts of infrastructure
> are accessible to whom.

ATM apache's in the middle of a bit of a transition so it's not very coherent



> > IMHO it would be
> > better to create a guide for this part of the process and streamline
> > this section.
>
> +1
> >
> > a radical patch (below) would strip out all policy. for want of a
> > better name, i've termed this guide 'bootstrap' (creation is already
22> > used for another part of the process) but suggestions welcomed.
>
> Only after a guide with this information is ready.

+1

> > as discussed (http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-
> > general/200712.mbox/%
> > 3cf470f68e0712290934y31e65c26qe8d9758f2d3db5e1@mail.gmail.com%3e),
> > though the current policy suggests that the mentors should do most of
> > the work this is probably unnecessary since the IPMC has already
> > approved it. so, i'd like to see this bit of policy removed anyway.
> >
> > the current policy lists mandates required infrastructure tasks
> > (mailing lists, repository). i'm not sure that this is needed at all.
> > if it is then it would be better to simply to ask that all proposed
> > resources are created.
>
> I do think that the new guide should make clear what tasks need to be
> done (not all of the tasks are listed). And what karma each task needs.

IMO we need to move away from karma and onto roles

for example, i have archive karma since i helped to set up the mirrors
back in the early noughties. i have this karma since i'm part of the
infra team. bulk transferring all the existing incubator to the
archives is really an infra task and i'm doing it with my infra hat
on. lots of members who've been around from the early noughties have
had lots of roles over the years. so they end up with lots of karma
and this confuses people into thinking that there are lots of stuff
that members are required for.

some tasks required infra, some the incubator chair, some an IPMCer,
some any committer. most have some sort of process requirements. i'm
inclined to recommend that JIRA is used for coordination. whilst i'm
bringing in RAT, i'm trying to preserve a record of what was needed. i
hope that this will help in creating the documentation.

> There is a guide http://incubator.apache.org/guides/projects.html
> that could be used for the purpose. It's (strangely) linked from the
> left navbar under Podling Guides: Podling Mentor.

that is a little odd

don't really use the term project anymore

rename to mentor.html?

> It would be good if
> we update this guide to be as complete as the http://
> incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html guide.
>
> WDYT?

+1

get cracking :-)

- robert

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