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From "Paul Fremantle" <pzf...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: moving a failed incubation project
Date Wed, 23 Jan 2008 07:23:25 GMT
Niall

Asking someone politely to rename the package is hardly throwing our
weight around.

Paul

On Jan 22, 2008 8:50 PM, Niall Pemberton <niall.pemberton@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 22, 2008 8:27 PM, Paul Fremantle <pzfreo@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I agree with the general point about the legality of using the
> > org.apache namespace. However, I think there is a significant issue
> > here. People assume that org.apache code is from Apache. And the
> > reasoning that its too much effort to rename is frankly wrong. Even
> > sed could do a decent job and probably sort the problem out.
> >
> > I think the usage of org.apache should be considered in the same way
> > as the Apache Logo - something that the ASF controls rigorously to
> > protect our brand image.
>
> If we throw our weight around that IMO goes against what our own
> license permits, then thats going to damage the ASF's "brand image"
> and its liberal license. I can't see how this could ever be official
> policy, but we should stop saying it until it is.
>
> Niall
>
>
> > Paul
> >
> >
> > On Jan 22, 2008 8:12 PM, Niall Pemberton <niall.pemberton@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 22, 2008 6:23 PM, Craig L Russell <Craig.Russell@sun.com> wrote:
> > > > I think the terminology in the subject is wrong.
> > > >
> > > > You are not "moving a failed incubation project." That project is dead.
> > > >
> > > > What you can do is to use the code in another project, and assume all
> > > > responsibility to verify that the license in the code is correct.
> > > >
> > > > What you can't do is to use the Apache brand for another project,
> > > > meaning to use the package names including apache if it's not an
> > > > Apache project.
> > >
> > > I thought the whole point of the AL was that pepople could take code
> > > away and do whatever they want with it - it doesn't say in the AL you
> > > can "do whatever you want with it as long as you rename the packages".
> > >
> > > Niall
> > >
> > > > And please be aware that the code might be tainted. Since it never
> > > > left incubation, the code's provenance might never have been vetted.
> > > > So you don't really know what you're getting, in terms of ownership,
> > > > license, patent, etc. If you use the code you're responsible for
> > > > making sure it's really ok.
> > > >
> > > > Craig
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Jan 21, 2008, at 6:23 PM, Hans Granqvist wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to move a failed incubation project (TSIK) to Google Code,
> > > > > but the source is full of org.apache.* packages, so I'm not sure
> > > > > what the right way to do this is. (The code would keep the same
> > > > > ASF 2.0 license.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Changing the package names will break any and all code, so if
> > > > > it'd be great if that's avoidable.
>
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