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From Craig L Russell <Craig.Russ...@Sun.COM>
Subject Re: Process Question: Draft Mentors Onto IPMC...? [WAS: [docs] Started pre-drafting]
Date Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:17:37 GMT
The wording in the Policy was deliberately non-procedural, as the  
Incubator PMC decided that policy belongs in the policy document and  
process belongs elsewhere. So as far as I'm concerned, this discussion  
is not supposed to have an answer.

So Bill's analysis is as valid as anyone else's. I'd suggest that one  
of the discussion issues for a proposal for a new podling is to look  
at the proposed Mentors and discuss whether the proposed Mentors  
should be voted into the incubator PMC before the proposal itself is  
voted on. Not policy, mind you. Just something for those who know to  


On Jan 16, 2008, at 2:38 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:

> Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
>> the IPMC votes on a proposal including the names of nominated  
>> Mentors.
>> one of the proposed Mentors must be an Apache member. the others MUST
>> be members of the IPMC.
>> are we saying that:
>> either A) as a result of the proposal vote, nominated Mentors are
>> drafted on the IPMC by virtue of that vote
>> or B)  that once the vote is passed propective Mentors need to ask
>> for election to the IPMC. any which are rejected must withdraw,
>> A or B seem to me to be mutally exclusive. which is it to be?
> They do, don't they?  I'd suggest the answer is C) they must be IPMC
> members to float their names as mentors.  This is so easily remedied
> for ASF members that it's not an issue.  As for non-Member IPMC folks,
> I continue to argue that its generally not a wise idea in the first
> place, and the last membership nominations backed up my opinion.
> This shouldn't discourage people from offering to help, but Mentor
> has a very specific meaning that requires some experience, which being
> a Member already validates, and previously serving on an existing PMC
> hints at.  Helpers of all sorts are always welcome in new podlings as
> they find their ASF legs and set off on their quest to become TLPs.
> Bill
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Craig Russell
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