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From "Niall Pemberton" <niall.pember...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: moving a failed incubation project
Date Tue, 22 Jan 2008 20:50:11 GMT
On Jan 22, 2008 8:27 PM, Paul Fremantle <pzfreo@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree with the general point about the legality of using the
> org.apache namespace. However, I think there is a significant issue
> here. People assume that org.apache code is from Apache. And the
> reasoning that its too much effort to rename is frankly wrong. Even
> sed could do a decent job and probably sort the problem out.
>
> I think the usage of org.apache should be considered in the same way
> as the Apache Logo - something that the ASF controls rigorously to
> protect our brand image.

If we throw our weight around that IMO goes against what our own
license permits, then thats going to damage the ASF's "brand image"
and its liberal license. I can't see how this could ever be official
policy, but we should stop saying it until it is.

Niall

> Paul
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2008 8:12 PM, Niall Pemberton <niall.pemberton@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 22, 2008 6:23 PM, Craig L Russell <Craig.Russell@sun.com> wrote:
> > > I think the terminology in the subject is wrong.
> > >
> > > You are not "moving a failed incubation project." That project is dead.
> > >
> > > What you can do is to use the code in another project, and assume all
> > > responsibility to verify that the license in the code is correct.
> > >
> > > What you can't do is to use the Apache brand for another project,
> > > meaning to use the package names including apache if it's not an
> > > Apache project.
> >
> > I thought the whole point of the AL was that pepople could take code
> > away and do whatever they want with it - it doesn't say in the AL you
> > can "do whatever you want with it as long as you rename the packages".
> >
> > Niall
> >
> > > And please be aware that the code might be tainted. Since it never
> > > left incubation, the code's provenance might never have been vetted.
> > > So you don't really know what you're getting, in terms of ownership,
> > > license, patent, etc. If you use the code you're responsible for
> > > making sure it's really ok.
> > >
> > > Craig
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jan 21, 2008, at 6:23 PM, Hans Granqvist wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > I want to move a failed incubation project (TSIK) to Google Code,
> > > > but the source is full of org.apache.* packages, so I'm not sure
> > > > what the right way to do this is. (The code would keep the same
> > > > ASF 2.0 license.)
> > > >
> > > > Changing the package names will break any and all code, so if
> > > > it'd be great if that's avoidable.

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