Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 90772 invoked from network); 19 Dec 2007 22:16:14 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 19 Dec 2007 22:16:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 20935 invoked by uid 500); 19 Dec 2007 22:16:03 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 20565 invoked by uid 500); 19 Dec 2007 22:16:02 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 20554 invoked by uid 99); 19 Dec 2007 22:16:02 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:16:02 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com designates 64.233.184.238 as permitted sender) Received: from [64.233.184.238] (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.238) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:15:40 +0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c8so923393wra.18 for ; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:15:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=e4iQdmey6mb3kjjwDGGZJauJMCKNJFXHMR6H95yKqX0=; b=VMqpKOGlteNtgYoAQMpKL+cO5VmU0azfqSclR+1c5Z95nTFWIOClvSKTm4seGE/Ot4wmuku/V14o+xDn2c7KfpR/UAcgEC76ynalYz6cP/xIjRqRcj7iGs2Fq2+ytfCU4wQK2zveCga78SYu8hoOQXQTa9E+JwyefoTYmMLxxzY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eonZ2BBcXCZzerIWel0vjV/7Dg/EVUZ9Fsyt71PCw5HUjJ9zQ9q3dW8zCNGikjJdBMqx4eBpnwUXk2GWi0W0ZDtdlbjm5eojqYtzFk3rZFeGq1M9Ln8hk4ALvrzbQWuDkkALO1RYOpSqgw7voKFIIq0yE0TerjD+iBPJLweAbY4= Received: by 10.142.239.11 with SMTP id m11mr3257056wfh.183.1198102510634; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:15:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.88.12 with HTTP; Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:15:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:15:10 +0000 From: "Robert Burrell Donkin" To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: freedom to do sane release management (was: Approve release Apache UIMA...) In-Reply-To: <4CCA4C88-CD8C-42AA-8CE9-7D99604289A4@leosimons.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <47684EBC.8030004@rowe-clan.net> <4CCA4C88-CD8C-42AA-8CE9-7D99604289A4@leosimons.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Dec 19, 2007 5:43 PM, Leo Simons wrote: > The second point is that there's a frequent tendency among incubator > PMC members (and, err, most other human beings) to take their own > opinions and experience about what constitutes reasonable practice > and turn that into policy, taking away key elements such as self- > governance in the process. This is just the one example. Do everyone > a favor, work a little harder, and find the *real* thing we need to > see ensured, independently of your own habits or preferences. this is why i've been trying to increase guidance and reduce policy. i think that writing up opinions into guidance is useful. ideally it should provide a starting point for communities to develop their own process. in my own mind, i'd like a release guide which any podling can mine to create their own, personal release guide. it's tough to start from nothing and a waste of effort to learn the hard way. better to read, think then choose. (perhaps a guide guide is needed to explain that guides are not policy but just a starting point for podlings to develop their own best practices...) on that note: leo any objections to me mining your post for the release documentation...? - robert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org