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From Craig L Russell <Craig.Russ...@Sun.COM>
Subject Re: [POLICY] Streamline Setting+Up+a+New+Podling policy
Date Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:14:56 GMT
Hi,

On Dec 31, 2007, at 5:47 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:

> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/ 
> Incubation_Policy.html#Setting+Up+a+New+Podling
> falls somewhere between guideance and policy. given that process
> mistakes have been made (eg.
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-1341)

This issue points out that even members of the incubator and members  
of the foundation aren't always clear on what parts of infrastructure  
are accessible to whom.

> IMHO it would be
> better to create a guide for this part of the process and streamline
> this section.

+1
>
> a radical patch (below) would strip out all policy. for want of a
> better name, i've termed this guide 'bootstrap' (creation is already
> used for another part of the process) but suggestions welcomed.

Only after a guide with this information is ready.
>
> as discussed (http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator- 
> general/200712.mbox/% 
> 3cf470f68e0712290934y31e65c26qe8d9758f2d3db5e1@mail.gmail.com%3e),
> though the current policy suggests that the mentors should do most of
> the work this is probably unnecessary since the IPMC has already
> approved it. so, i'd like to see this bit of policy removed anyway.
>
> the current policy lists mandates required infrastructure tasks
> (mailing lists, repository). i'm not sure that this is needed at all.
> if it is then it would be better to simply to ask that all proposed
> resources are created.

I do think that the new guide should make clear what tasks need to be  
done (not all of the tasks are listed). And what karma each task needs.

There is a guide http://incubator.apache.org/guides/projects.html  
that could be used for the purpose. It's (strangely) linked from the  
left navbar under Podling Guides: Podling Mentor. It would be good if  
we update this guide to be as complete as the http:// 
incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html guide.

WDYT?

Craig
>
> the other bit is about the project status page. perhaps this does need
> to be explicitly stated. if so then i think it would be better to
> create this page as part of the 'creation' part of the process.
>
> opinions?
>
> - robert
>
> Index: site-author/incubation/Incubation_Policy.xml
> ===================================================================
> --- site-author/incubation/Incubation_Policy.xml        (revision  
> 607711)
> +++ site-author/incubation/Incubation_Policy.xml        (working copy)
> @@ -288,30 +288,9 @@
>          <title>Setting Up a New Podling</title>
>  <p>
>  Once a proposal has been <a href='#Acceptance+By 
> +Incubator'>accepted</a>
> -and the podling <a href='#Creation+of+Podling'>created</a>
> -a <a href='#Mentor'>Mentor</a> SHOULD initiate the creation of:
> +and the podling <a href='#Creation+of+Podling'>created</a>,
> +the <a href='#Mentor'>Mentors</a> SHALL <a
> href='/guides/bootstrap.html'>bootstrap</a> the podling.
>  </p>
> -        <ul>
> -            <li>the <a href='#Ongoing+Activities'>project status</a>
> page;</li>
> -            <li>the mailing lists;</li>
> -            <li>the repository space;</li>
> -        </ul>
> -        <p>
> -          Your project's mentors are able to undertake many of the  
> setup
> -          tasks. See notes about how to
> -          <a href="http://www.apache.org/dev/reporting- 
> issues.html">request
> project resources</a>
> -          such as new committer accounts and new mailing lists.
> -          (Note that a committer account will not be created
> -          <a href="http://www.apache.org/dev/ 
> pmc.html#newcommitter">until the
> -          Contributor License Agreement (CLA) has been recorded.</a>)
> -        </p>
> -        <p>
> -          Your project committers/PPMC members need to become  
> familiar with
> -          the <a href="http://www.apache.org/dev/">ASF Infrastructure
> information</a>
> -          and in particular the
> -          <a href="http://www.apache.org/dev/#pmc">PMC</a> notes.
> -          Also see the <a href="../guides/pmc.html">Incubator PMC  
> Guide</a>.
> -       </p>
>       </section>
>        <section id="Ongoing+Activities">
>          <title>Ongoing Activities</title>
>
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Craig Russell
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