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From "Robert Burrell Donkin" <robertburrelldon...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: RAT set up [WAS Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] RAT to enter incubator]
Date Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:57:21 GMT
On Nov 26, 2007 7:28 PM, Upayavira <uv@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2007-11-24 at 11:43 -0800, Craig L Russell wrote:
> > Hi Robert,
> >
> > On Nov 20, 2007, at 6:08 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
> >
> > > On Nov 19, 2007 11:23 PM, Craig L Russell <Craig.Russell@sun.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >> Hi Robert,
> > >>
> > >> On Nov 19, 2007, at 3:14 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On Nov 18, 2007 11:44 PM, Craig L Russell <Craig.Russell@sun.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>> Just one question. Why are you not a mentor for this project? I
> > >>>> don't
> > >>>> see anything in the rules against it, and I believe it will be
> > >>>> easier
> > >>>> all around if you can also wear the mentor hat.
> > >>>
> > >>> it would probably be easier but i thought that independent mentors
> > >>> would be healthier and the experience might be educational
> > >>
> > >> I'd say we were conflating the two roles played by mentors:
> > >>
> > >> Mentoring the podling
> > >>
> > >> Providing infrastructure support for the podling
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > > infrastructure approval should probably rest with the IPMC in general
> > > rather than the mentors specifically
> >
> 'Infrastructure approval' is a rather strange idea. If you mean when
> will infra be prepared to act upon a request will be looking at board
> resolutions and incubator PMC votes. If the vote has occurred to create
> a podling, then _anyone_ with sufficient karma can get on and create
> stuff. I'm sure no-one would complain (unless it is done badly). Who
> should be pushing for getting the infra set up? Well, that can be anyone
> who is interested in seeing it done. However, mentors are more likely to
> know who/where to ask, what to ask and how to ask, and asking in the
> right way definitely helps streamline the work.
>
> > IIUC, Mentors are tasked with setting up infrastructure because any
> > one person would have so much work to do that no one would ever
> > volunteer to do it. So we have volunteer Mentors who have karma and
> > are willing to step up.
>
> Well, I think it is more that we have mentors, and we have infra
> volunteers, and some infra volunteers happen to be mentors, which is
> more or less co-incidence.
>
> > Specific things that Mentors do for podlings in this regard are
> > asking via JIRA for infra to do things that only infrastructure folks
> > can do; establishing the svn repo; adding podling committers to
> > authorization files; moderating email; and setting up the web site.
>
> Yeah. Mentors likely do that because they know what to ask. Other than
> that, anyone can do it.
>
> > I think that Someone needs to be responsible for these things, and I
> > don't see that "the IPMC in general" or the IPMC chair specifically
> > needs to have anything to do with them.
>
> If the podling is interested in getting its infra setup, which I would
> assume it is, then I wouldn't worry about who is responsible. I'd just
> say, "if in doubt, ask your mentor(s)"

yes

ATM the IPMC mandates that the Mentors set up the infrastructure. the
IPMC has already approved the action so i'm not sure that this is
necessary.

- robert

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