From general-return-16059-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Fri Oct 12 13:27:16 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 15936 invoked from network); 12 Oct 2007 13:27:13 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 12 Oct 2007 13:27:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 50153 invoked by uid 500); 12 Oct 2007 13:26:58 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 50034 invoked by uid 500); 12 Oct 2007 13:26:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 50022 invoked by uid 99); 12 Oct 2007 13:26:57 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:26:57 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com designates 64.233.184.232 as permitted sender) Received: from [64.233.184.232] (HELO wr-out-0506.google.com) (64.233.184.232) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 13:27:01 +0000 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c48so520091wra for ; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:26:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=i5eYnV5+Jy6bqTOkgEUWw9UW73fiyNukPnzODkqIiMk=; b=NYG0y5l6oSk77fH4kTa3nt5uk3cLlMzKiYwtnqXfN2rAfoA+s7Pu+W8bLZy1nhjxgU7NUupiIReCaJc1r8rNH9q+37gg/6C2XMxp7tvP8CPfNOU9lKzU3d9zIVHcbxxDy1JnB6/qU1CnuiolqIdaxN1UoMwobC+csWyzw/384gU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AgSs2661XQn3/XAvH/7Ym3L4C1C65TF6CC0Tv7DkFVwQwgFjQD3INKkgVFHnhn3xNV7s84HeEWQvS3ZHliRQ9pI877TdSy+GmqAjpBQaPr3HEblHTBPZFdv+TgCclFCffGAu4yMPHFn6x7p3fHPL0pGCUuBNeszIR4FgT8suEiY= Received: by 10.90.49.1 with SMTP id w1mr4769621agw.1192195600221; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.69.13 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 14:26:40 +0100 From: "Robert Burrell Donkin" To: general@incubator.apache.org, antelder@apache.org Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduate Tuscany as a top level project In-Reply-To: <71e1b5740710120142u6164319cm29cccc4df2003e9a@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <71e1b5740710120142u6164319cm29cccc4df2003e9a@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 10/12/07, ant elder wrote: > Establish the Apache Tuscany project: > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best > interests of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's > purpose to establish a Project Management Committee charged with > the creation and maintenance of open-source software that > simplifies the development and deployment of service oriented > applications and provides a managed service-oriented runtime > based on the standards defined by the OASIS OpenCSA group, ^^^^ > for distribution at no charge to the public. 1. is 'based' the right term? 2. grrr SOA! i'm unclear what this really means in this case. though i've been following the lists for quite a while now, i still find it really hard to understand the target use cases are for tuscany. is it possible to accurately describe what what tuscany is used for without using buzzwords? 3. is the definition a little ambiguous? ((simplifies the development and deployment of service oriented applications) and (provides a managed service-oriented runtime)) based on the standards defined by the OASIS OpenCSA group vs (simplifies the development and deployment of service oriented applications) and ((provides a managed service-oriented runtime) based on the standards defined by the OASIS OpenCSA group) 4. does tuscany really want to limit itself to a single standard? if another organisation created standards in this same area, would tuscany really wish to exclude itself from creating an implementation? - robert --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org