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From Niclas Hedhman <>
Subject Re: ODE Board Resolution draft
Date Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:21:08 GMT
On Friday 06 July 2007 22:50, Martijn Dashorst wrote:

Speaking as a recently arriving Mentor; 

> In both the December 2006 and March 2007 reports ODE mentions that the
> project needs to attract more developers and diversify. The June'07
> report mentions leads to new committers. Have these joined the
> community? I ask this to see if you have adopted voting in new
> community members using Apache practices.

Diversity is of course a relative word in ASF-land. There has been suggestions 
of 3 independent employers, and not a majority from a single employer and so 
I have tried to verify this, and although not doing anything exhaustive, or 
even anything close to an authorative check, I think diversity is beyond the 
minimal criteria. However, the most enthusiastic PPMC members want to broaden 
this further, and I suspect this is part of the "need more diversity" in the 
reports. And we all know that attracting (users becoming) developers for 
incubating projects ain't the easiest thing on the planet...

> The PPMC has only been installed recently. How can we ascertain that
> the PPMC has enough experience to function given the raised concerns
> of a non-functioning PPMC until june? Especially if the former
> question hasn't been resolved (i.e. adding/voting in new committers).

As Matthieu mentioned, the PPMC was effectively the committers discussing all 
action items on the dev@ list, which is good. The formalization of the PPMC 
never became a high priority, hence the long absence of a private@ list with 
anything on it. 
The fact that there has been no major conflicts is both, I guess, good and 
bad. Good in that it shows a healthy community, Bad as the PPMC never get a 
chance to show how to handle conflicts. I think this common around ASF, and 
the Chair only need to 'raise the flag' to the membership/board and people 
will try to assist if it gets to that.
I have also indicated that I will follow this project as 
post-graduation-Mentor, keep an eye out for problems or issues arising in the 
year ahead, but without a formal seat on the PPMC, since I don't follow the 
technology itself...

I have the full confidence that Matthieu is the right person, who has the 
passion for the project and the respect of his peers, to head the community. 


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