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Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 09:55:24 -0700
From: Craig L Russell <Craig.Russell@Sun.COM>
Subject: Re: Podling Committer policy
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Getting back to my original comment, I don't see how the IPMC can  
meaningfully participate in a discussion or vote held on the PPMC  
private mailing list. I don't think it's reasonable for an IPMC  
member who is exercising oversight in the specific case of a new  
committer to be required to subscribe to the podling's private PPMC  
mailing list for this purpose.

What might work is for the [DISCUSS] and [VOTE] of the candidate to  
be held simultaneously on the PPMC private mailing list and the IPMC  
private mailing list. All of both the IPMC and PPMC can fully  
participate in the process. Then, at the end of the [VOTE] it will be  
clear whether the vote passed.

Craig

On Jun 20, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:

> Upayavira wrote:
>
>> The implication here is that, if we consider the IPMC to have the  
>> role
>> of overseeing podlings
>
> Is there an "if" there?  ;-)  That *is* the job of the Incubator  
> PMC, and it is the sole holder of that role.
>
>> IPMC members must have the necessary rights to do so.
>
> The Incubator PMC is the managing entity of all things in the  
> Incubator.  Nothing is private from the Incubator PMC, by definition.
>
>> perhaps IPMC members should have access to all podling private lists.
>
> No perhaps about it.  Any Incubator PMC member who wants to be on  
> any @i.a.o list can be; if they have any difficulty being moderated  
> on, they should contact me (or anyone else with apmail karma).
>
>> the right to see archives, but I don't know whether they'd need a
>> member proxy to see the archives or if that can be done via unix
>> perms on p.a.o).
>
> At present all private list archives are available only to ASF  
> Members.  This is not policy so much as a pragmatic limitation of  
> available ACLs.  apmail is the owner and apmember is the group.  We  
> have talked about having a protected web interface to private  
> lists, but thus no one has stepped to do it.  And there are issues  
> to resolve related to granularity of access.
>
> 	--- Noel
>
>
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Craig Russell
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