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From "Gilles Scokart" <gscok...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Podling Committer policy
Date Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:17:55 GMT
My proposition might be stupid, but what if the IPMC  had two private
lists.  One purely IPMC (to discuss things like accepting a new IPMC
member) and an other used by IPMC and all PPMC?

It solve your problem of IPMC not being able to participate/follow
PPMC private discusion An other benefits is that the PPMC will learn
from their own private discussion, but also from the discussion of
other PPMC.

The only draw back is when an PPMC want its discussion to not be
viewed by memeber of other PPMC member.  I don't know that it would
happen often.  I guess not.

Gilles


2007/6/20, Craig L Russell <Craig.Russell@sun.com>:
> Getting back to my original comment, I don't see how the IPMC can
> meaningfully participate in a discussion or vote held on the PPMC
> private mailing list. I don't think it's reasonable for an IPMC
> member who is exercising oversight in the specific case of a new
> committer to be required to subscribe to the podling's private PPMC
> mailing list for this purpose.
>
> What might work is for the [DISCUSS] and [VOTE] of the candidate to
> be held simultaneously on the PPMC private mailing list and the IPMC
> private mailing list. All of both the IPMC and PPMC can fully
> participate in the process. Then, at the end of the [VOTE] it will be
> clear whether the vote passed.
>
> Craig
>
> On Jun 20, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>
> > Upayavira wrote:
> >
> >> The implication here is that, if we consider the IPMC to have the
> >> role
> >> of overseeing podlings
> >
> > Is there an "if" there?  ;-)  That *is* the job of the Incubator
> > PMC, and it is the sole holder of that role.
> >
> >> IPMC members must have the necessary rights to do so.
> >
> > The Incubator PMC is the managing entity of all things in the
> > Incubator.  Nothing is private from the Incubator PMC, by definition.
> >
> >> perhaps IPMC members should have access to all podling private lists.
> >
> > No perhaps about it.  Any Incubator PMC member who wants to be on
> > any @i.a.o list can be; if they have any difficulty being moderated
> > on, they should contact me (or anyone else with apmail karma).
> >
> >> the right to see archives, but I don't know whether they'd need a
> >> member proxy to see the archives or if that can be done via unix
> >> perms on p.a.o).
> >
> > At present all private list archives are available only to ASF
> > Members.  This is not policy so much as a pragmatic limitation of
> > available ACLs.  apmail is the owner and apmember is the group.  We
> > have talked about having a protected web interface to private
> > lists, but thus no one has stepped to do it.  And there are issues
> > to resolve related to granularity of access.
> >
> >       --- Noel
> >
> >
> >
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>
> Craig Russell
> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo
> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com
> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp!
>
>
>


-- 
Gilles SCOKART

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