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From: "Noel J. Bergman" <noel@devtech.com>
To: <general@incubator.apache.org>,
	<cctrieloff@redhat.com>
Subject: RE: PPMC guidance on new committers
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:01:00 -0400
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Carl Trieloff wrote:

> One more question on this topic as I have also seen differing views from
> different members of the Incubator PMC on:  "Who can and who can not
> send the account setup mail to root?"

The view that counts is from
http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#newcommitter.  Please note: that is not
an Incubator URL.  These are ASF-wide documents, and everyone should become
familar with the contents under http://www.apache.org/dev.

> Given each new committer vote will have 3 PMC votes, why does a mentor
> have to send the account setup to root? Why can't the mail to root just
> contain a link to the vote result with 3 PMC members on it from the
> general list?

See the above URL.  Technically, it can come from any PMC member, not just a
Mentor.  It ought to come from a Mentor in terms of social interfactions,
but if your Mentor(s) are not being responsive, any PMC member can do it.

> Some PMC members have the view that any PPMC member should be able to
> send the account setup to root to learn the system, others say it has
> to be a mentor.

See above.  Any PMC mamber.

The Incubator is unique in that we are the sole "umbrella" structure (there
are/were others, and the ASF is deep into the process of eliminating them).
Here in the Incubator, we have to navigate a duality: wanting the PPMC as
much as possible to manage its project with guidance, and at the same time
having to ensure PMC oversight.  So although only PMC votes are binding, and
some actions require PMC involvement, this is why having enough Mentors on a
project to satisfy voting requirements and other PMC actions is a good
thing.

	--- Noel


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