Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 15099 invoked from network); 30 May 2007 17:01:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 30 May 2007 17:01:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 97049 invoked by uid 500); 30 May 2007 17:01:29 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 96903 invoked by uid 500); 30 May 2007 17:01:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 96892 invoked by uid 99); 30 May 2007 17:01:29 -0000 Received: from herse.apache.org (HELO herse.apache.org) (140.211.11.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 May 2007 10:01:29 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests= X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (herse.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [66.112.202.2] (HELO mail.devtech.com) (66.112.202.2) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 May 2007 10:01:24 -0700 Received: from localhost. ([127.0.0.1]) by mail.devtech.com (JAMES SMTP Server 2.3.1-dev) with SMTP ID 409 for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 13:01:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "Noel J. Bergman" To: Subject: RE: PPMC guidance on new committers Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:00:59 -0400 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=SHA1; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_08FA_01C7A2BA.2E228720" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org ------=_NextPart_000_08FA_01C7A2BA.2E228720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Craig Russell wrote: > I'd like to open the discussion on the "best practice" referred to by > the guides/ppmc because I'm not convinced that best practice for a > TLP is best practice for the incubator. > Personally, if I saw a vote on the incubator private PMC list for a > new committer on a podling, including references to the PPMC > discussion and vote, I would be inclined to vote for that committer. > On the other hand, if I saw a vote on the incubator private PMC list > that just offered the usual so-and-so is a great contributor, I'd > have no real way to see if the PPMC was really learning its job. This is mostly a limitation of being a non-ASF Member. ASF Members have access to all of the mailing list archives, including private lists. > So IMHO, best practice for podlings is to hold a [DISCUSS] Joe Bleau > for committer on the PPMC private list, followed by a [VOTE] on the > PPMC private list, and then a formal [VOTE] on the private incubator > PMC list with references to the discussion and vote of the PPMC. > Alternatively, hold a [DISCUSS] Joe Bleau for committer on the PPMC > private list, followed by a [VOTE] on the dev list, and then a formal > [VOTE] on the incubator list with references to the discussion and > vote of the community. The only difference being the formal vote being on the open list, right? Do you expect people to vote -1 in public, or do you expect the PPMC not to hold the vote at all if people express negative views? And do you want negative views about a Committer to be maintained in perpetuity around the Internet? I've certainly seen that raised as a concern, particularly as more and more employers mine the Internet for information about potential employees. --- Noel ------=_NextPart_000_08FA_01C7A2BA.2E228720 Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIII8zCCAnsw ggHkoAMCAQICEDWnAd/vVIJk0M177VFGVvgwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA3MDExMjIzNTIwNFoXDTA4MDExMjIzNTIw NFowZzEQMA4GA1UEBBMHQmVyZ21hbjEUMBIGA1UEKhMLTm9lbCBKb3NlcGgxHDAaBgNVBAMTE05v ZWwgSm9zZXBoIEJlcmdtYW4xHzAdBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWEG5vZWxAZGV2dGVjaC5jb20wgZ8wDQYJ KoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAKlm7ln3GiYxx6Is98MCy6q7yQT2i9IbGkPrZUXCINiyFr1t yMZojWwEsV54zouCSRqZCXxAydJ6Mb6zMS1Z1vxJrblE59n49e0opy669u6BWKFej1spbCvWtSYK EJ0r2h9Zz2Z7JaFQoFAXbLHNU+XTwCii662q3ZGz/lO1a/4bAgMBAAGjLTArMBsGA1UdEQQUMBKB EG5vZWxAZGV2dGVjaC5jb20wDAYDVR0TAQH/BAIwADANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOBgQAW9faq0Mf9 tbskx4JdBhp545TUUjuQcMEPCXZ2p4+y2U9Jyzq8SxDYqHxPpx4IxPVU09KYN8dh/06zVUfvEAaM nFLjZ4VIuPOJwjFqMU9S1Qj9lf7GY+bGY67diOghQH9IpVOZKIa4FYdcRn+V7j4mkZBsdSEUDv9Q 2ugXVdzVezCCAy0wggKWoAMCAQICAQAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEEBQAwgdExCzAJBgNVBAYTAlpBMRUw EwYDVQQIEwxXZXN0ZXJuIENhcGUxEjAQBgNVBAcTCUNhcGUgVG93bjEaMBgGA1UEChMRVGhhd3Rl IENvbnN1bHRpbmcxKDAmBgNVBAsTH0NlcnRpZmljYXRpb24gU2VydmljZXMgRGl2aXNpb24xJDAi BgNVBAMTG1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBDQTErMCkGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYccGVyc29u YWwtZnJlZW1haWxAdGhhd3RlLmNvbTAeFw05NjAxMDEwMDAwMDBaFw0yMDEyMzEyMzU5NTlaMIHR MQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlDYXBlIFRvd24x GjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIFNlcnZp Y2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgQ0ExKzApBgkq hkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAD gY0AMIGJAoGBANRp19SwlGRbcelH2AxRtupykbCEXn0tDY97Et+FJXUodDpCLGMnn5V7S+9+GYcd huqj3bnOlmQawhRuRKx85o/oTQ9xH0A4pgCjh3j2+ZSGXq3qwF5269kUo11uenwMpUtVfwYZKX+e mibVars4JAhqmMex2qOYkf152+VaxBy5AgMBAAGjEzARMA8GA1UdEwEB/wQFMAMBAf8wDQYJKoZI hvcNAQEEBQADgYEAx+ySfk749ZalZ2IqpPBNEWDQb41gWGGsJrtSNVwIzzD7qEqWih9iQiOMFw/0 umScF6xHKd+dmF7SbGBxXKKs3Hnj524ARx+1DSjoAp3kmv0T9KbZfLH43F8jJgmRgHPQFBveQ6mD JfLmnC8Vyv6mq4oHdYsM3VGEa+T40c53ooEwggM/MIICqKADAgECAgENMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUA MIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlDYXBlIFRv d24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZpY2F0aW9uIFNl cnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1haWwgQ0ExKzAp BgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNMDMwNzE3MDAwMDAw WhcNMTMwNzE2MjM1OTU5WjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1bHRp bmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3Vpbmcg Q0EwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAMSmPFVzVftOucqZWh5owHUEcJ3f6f+jHuy9 zfVb8hp2vX8MOmHyv1HOAdTlUAow1wJjWiyJFXCO3cnwK4Vaqj9xVsuvPAsH5/EfkTYkKhPPK9Xz gnc9A74r/rsYPge/QIACZNenprufZdHFKlSFD0gEf6e20TxhBEAeZBlyYLf7AgMBAAGjgZQwgZEw EgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADBDBgNVHR8EPDA6MDigNqA0hjJodHRwOi8vY3JsLnRoYXd0ZS5j b20vVGhhd3RlUGVyc29uYWxGcmVlbWFpbENBLmNybDALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwKQYDVR0RBCIwIKQe MBwxGjAYBgNVBAMTEVByaXZhdGVMYWJlbDItMTM4MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GBAEiM0VCD6gsu zA2jZqxnD3+vrL7CF6FDlpSdf0whuPg2H6otnzYvwPQcUCCTcDz9reFhYsPZOhl+hLGZGwDFGguC dJ4lUJRix9sncVcljd2pnDmOjCBPZV+V2vf3h9bGCE6u9uo05RAaWzVNd+NWIXiC3CEZNd4ksdMd Rv9dX2VPMYICXzCCAlsCAQEwdjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3RlIENvbnN1 bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWlsIElzc3Vp bmcgQ0ECEDWnAd/vVIJk0M177VFGVvgwCQYFKw4DAhoFAKCCAT8wGAYJKoZIhvcNAQkDMQsGCSqG SIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMDcwNTMwMTY1ODEyWjAjBgkqhkiG9w0BCQQxFgQU+thG gbxIe8GQrDxTHMxWUU/CWwIwWAYJKoZIhvcNAQkPMUswSTAKBggqhkiG9w0DBzAOBggqhkiG9w0D AgICAIAwBwYFKw4DAgcwDQYIKoZIhvcNAwICASgwBwYFKw4DAhowCgYIKoZIhvcNAgUwgYUGCSsG AQQBgjcQBDF4MHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQ dHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhA1 pwHf71SCZNDNe+1RRlb4MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUABIGASe2UcXnzkhgTAJJ2dBV6fiEbQSi1AtHM kxS0vKVhQAjirsVV2PPkZO0D+k9FJj0Xf3oA1CKBMaYBCCemsSKoplm+igVwIxgyWE9y3U/TH3lC hNXMBquBHQ0MPXU1BTHLsDnzvQ0jEU9b8EcKQekwF9T3wJn7fI9/B8KnlTG8QHwAAAAAAAA= ------=_NextPart_000_08FA_01C7A2BA.2E228720--