Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 49492 invoked from network); 31 May 2007 06:03:29 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 31 May 2007 06:03:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 87979 invoked by uid 500); 31 May 2007 06:03:30 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 87799 invoked by uid 500); 31 May 2007 06:03:29 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 87788 invoked by uid 99); 31 May 2007 06:03:29 -0000 Received: from herse.apache.org (HELO herse.apache.org) (140.211.11.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 May 2007 23:03:29 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (herse.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [192.18.43.132] (HELO sca-es-mail-1.sun.com) (192.18.43.132) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 30 May 2007 23:03:25 -0700 Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l4V634rH011820 for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 23:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0JIW000015Z5R600@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from Craig.Russell@Sun.COM) for general@incubator.apache.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 23:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.158.223.130] by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0JIW0085K6502V10@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> for general@incubator.apache.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 23:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:03:00 -0700 From: Craig L Russell Subject: Re: PPMC guidance on new committers In-reply-to: <765F513A-7363-4508-9652-4CDAB2735C58@SUN.com> Sender: Craig.Russell@Sun.COM To: general@incubator.apache.org Message-id: <0219C791-0C6B-45F2-98F5-9F05F72FD478@SUN.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary=Apple-Mail-214-420717597; micalg=sha1 References: <44673C51-4E1D-4F34-AD46-50E5AE9AB9AD@SUN.com> <465D78A1.2050505@redhat.com> <62B90549-5D5B-410D-8068-8F92DEE813B2@SUN.com> <465D9428.9070008@bristowhill.com> <465DFC9F.8070803@bristowhill.com> <765F513A-7363-4508-9652-4CDAB2735C58@SUN.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --Apple-Mail-214-420717597 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I'd like to discuss one detail of the process for new committers. On May 30, 2007, at 10:56 PM, Craig L Russell wrote: > If the nominee is already an Apache committer on another project, > the proposer asks the incubator PMC chair to update the > authorization file to include the nominee as a committer on the > podling. If the nominee is not already an Apache committer, the > incubator PMC member CC's both the Incubator PMC and the PPMC when > sending the necessary e-mails to root. Normally, the incubator PMC > member is a Mentor on the podling's PPMC but due to unavailability, > the proposer can ask any incubator PMC member. Is it really required for the incubator PMC chair to update the authorization file? Seems like a single point of failure and a possible source of delay. Would it be ok for *any* incubator PMC member with write access to the authorization file to perform this task? There are lots of incubator PMC members with sufficient karma to do the deed. The issue is probably not a problem on a "normal" PMC since the number of committer requests is low. But the incubator is in charge of dozens of podlings and it seems like this might be a bigger problem here. Craig Craig Russell DB PMC, OpenJPA PMC clr@apache.org http://db.apache.org/jdo --Apple-Mail-214-420717597 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIGUDCCAwkw ggJyoAMCAQICECpJVMO68ii+Xfsc1O1YYFIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkEx JTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQ ZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBMB4XDTA2MTIwOTE5NTEwNVoXDTA3MTIwOTE5NTEw NVowbDEQMA4GA1UEBBMHUnVzc2VsbDEUMBIGA1UEKhMLQ3JhaWcgTGFpcmQxHDAaBgNVBAMTE0Ny YWlnIExhaXJkIFJ1c3NlbGwxJDAiBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWFUNyYWlnLlJ1c3NlbGxAU3VuLkNPTTCC ASIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADggEPADCCAQoCggEBAMNAB4Ih+ShsCt89HzqIdwEx8L4o1UHiY6V7 16mrCedfd4Y0/uI7z9Zam8ysgEh+F7aDnQEKmEsVFN35G4nPMfLU6dZYkvADwUjbq82t/dJ3FDDg Q945nHHpqECZff/S/UMho9AFfj6PZvZBAlDCJAayb4RdKIlfuvPW9YcQStQ1IfVJcVuKnC0Q+tdc a4A7zn7IzLOQohO1lTc3hXSBigEIGiGYn6Ny0wmexfA3X1WsXekFx5czd+M4GjDjswn8CNoBmnBr jOTGK1mOsXR6GSRHnly2s9xTdE4qv9qimM+7C2yzMHbKcszV7OQoLsRsZKDh+6u9wYU+TrjcY4ym bA8CAwEAAaMyMDAwIAYDVR0RBBkwF4EVQ3JhaWcuUnVzc2VsbEBTdW4uQ09NMAwGA1UdEwEB/wQC MAAwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQADgYEAU/EpPDztnb55Fz7iGSVm1mYEVj5m2OQKTYG26POUAomCBRrt /CdBBvqYmcHUTpra0qLELHAQadYFl2v11iQkqwF5PPJs19oU/zA0m5qFnOMTAiCvel7IprIwA2r6 eJR9siaPwDRgVJ/Sj71dD+utwf+nRrNy0/7PMNK5y+ocsYQwggM/MIICqKADAgECAgENMA0GCSqG SIb3DQEBBQUAMIHRMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTEVMBMGA1UECBMMV2VzdGVybiBDYXBlMRIwEAYDVQQH EwlDYXBlIFRvd24xGjAYBgNVBAoTEVRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nMSgwJgYDVQQLEx9DZXJ0aWZp Y2F0aW9uIFNlcnZpY2VzIERpdmlzaW9uMSQwIgYDVQQDExtUaGF3dGUgUGVyc29uYWwgRnJlZW1h aWwgQ0ExKzApBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWHHBlcnNvbmFsLWZyZWVtYWlsQHRoYXd0ZS5jb20wHhcNMDMw NzE3MDAwMDAwWhcNMTMwNzE2MjM1OTU5WjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhhd3Rl IENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVtYWls IElzc3VpbmcgQ0EwgZ8wDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQADgY0AMIGJAoGBAMSmPFVzVftOucqZWh5owHUE cJ3f6f+jHuy9zfVb8hp2vX8MOmHyv1HOAdTlUAow1wJjWiyJFXCO3cnwK4Vaqj9xVsuvPAsH5/Ef kTYkKhPPK9Xzgnc9A74r/rsYPge/QIACZNenprufZdHFKlSFD0gEf6e20TxhBEAeZBlyYLf7AgMB AAGjgZQwgZEwEgYDVR0TAQH/BAgwBgEB/wIBADBDBgNVHR8EPDA6MDigNqA0hjJodHRwOi8vY3Js LnRoYXd0ZS5jb20vVGhhd3RlUGVyc29uYWxGcmVlbWFpbENBLmNybDALBgNVHQ8EBAMCAQYwKQYD VR0RBCIwIKQeMBwxGjAYBgNVBAMTEVByaXZhdGVMYWJlbDItMTM4MA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAA4GB AEiM0VCD6gsuzA2jZqxnD3+vrL7CF6FDlpSdf0whuPg2H6otnzYvwPQcUCCTcDz9reFhYsPZOhl+ hLGZGwDFGguCdJ4lUJRix9sncVcljd2pnDmOjCBPZV+V2vf3h9bGCE6u9uo05RAaWzVNd+NWIXiC 3CEZNd4ksdMdRv9dX2VPMYIDEDCCAwwCAQEwdjBiMQswCQYDVQQGEwJaQTElMCMGA1UEChMcVGhh d3RlIENvbnN1bHRpbmcgKFB0eSkgTHRkLjEsMCoGA1UEAxMjVGhhd3RlIFBlcnNvbmFsIEZyZWVt YWlsIElzc3VpbmcgQ0ECECpJVMO68ii+Xfsc1O1YYFIwCQYFKw4DAhoFAKCCAW8wGAYJKoZIhvcN AQkDMQsGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAcBgkqhkiG9w0BCQUxDxcNMDcwNTMxMDYwMzAwWjAjBgkqhkiG9w0B CQQxFgQUofwO572p8+bN9NrC6prpVKMZP+0wgYUGCSsGAQQBgjcQBDF4MHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMC WkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQdHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0 ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhAqSVTDuvIovl37HNTtWGBSMIGHBgsqhkiG 9w0BCRACCzF4oHYwYjELMAkGA1UEBhMCWkExJTAjBgNVBAoTHFRoYXd0ZSBDb25zdWx0aW5nIChQ dHkpIEx0ZC4xLDAqBgNVBAMTI1RoYXd0ZSBQZXJzb25hbCBGcmVlbWFpbCBJc3N1aW5nIENBAhAq SVTDuvIovl37HNTtWGBSMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUABIIBAAmQ9S/uzo25z1uyi+BxQEiJ+OSNX7P0 yHk94RvZXCwFS2dab/0gfKyWgZX/+pPfuHz7OhU/bJjdTAzgKVnUxZD0k5SQlEdt43MfU2hgpW3o 4EPI144OpYfh/i8+V68K5NXoyeKwyRAnPQIXEroFqtXkf5qrl/9PtwrE55xVI8bRB+WaN62e4tji LSgl9YTJAn4H9QVil0xWgJ2e0lNVknoz2otVaN7bHrzuchgOPxhO8Jbdq5kqwQ/TsYlSSooVGtBE 9n+fb/b1sBVO1jKuqNPCRe9RgmSYUhrpcXk4Kn8HRQ1zc+9RTPIrnaWezgGLgcAfy1WuNjpLrC+M 2SMnd/YAAAAAAAA= --Apple-Mail-214-420717597--