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From "William A. Rowe, Jr." <wr...@rowe-clan.net>
Subject Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Arnuad Simon as committer for Qpid
Date Tue, 29 May 2007 23:15:26 GMT
Yoav Shapira wrote:
> 
> On 5/29/07, Yoav Shapira <yoavs@apache.org> wrote:
>> I always thought (and the documentation at
>> http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html) says PPMC votes are
>> binding.  There were plenty of PPMC +1 votes without my vote.  If I'm
>> wrong, it (a) sucks because other PPMC members don't learn the Apache
>> Way, and we're telling them they don't count, and (b) the
>> documentation link above is out of date.
> 
> Having now caught up with a coupe of other threads, I think the
> direction we're going (where only IPMC member votes count, and other
> PPMC committer votes do not) REALLY sucks.  It makes the PPMC vote a
> joke.  I strongly prefer that what the documentation at the above URL
> stay as-is and that process continue to be used.

LEGALLY PPMC votes mean zilch; this is because the board did not charter
or compose the PPMC, doesn't decompose it, doesn't even oversee it per say.

They've put the onus on the IPMC to oversee and conduct all incubating
projects.  In practice, that means the IPMC puts their weight behind
the PPMC members' decisions.  Practically speaking, unless something
is horribly wrong with a proposal/decision, the mentors are going to
vote with the majority of the PPMC members, giving their decision the
force of an ASF board decision about the incubating podling, new
committer, what have you.

SO... for all intents and purposes, the PPMC votes DO matter.  Very much.
It's just that technically, 3 IPMC +1's are needed to ratify their
decision.

And in reality the board is not overseeing each PPMC, but really it's
the effectiveness of the IPMC at managing all of our podlings that they
look at each month :)

Bill

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