Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 16410 invoked from network); 10 Apr 2007 17:47:05 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 10 Apr 2007 17:47:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 81012 invoked by uid 500); 10 Apr 2007 17:47:06 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 80869 invoked by uid 500); 10 Apr 2007 17:47:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 80844 invoked by uid 99); 10 Apr 2007 17:47:06 -0000 Received: from herse.apache.org (HELO herse.apache.org) (140.211.11.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:47:06 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (herse.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [192.18.42.249] (HELO nwk-ea-fw-1.sun.com) (192.18.42.249) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:46:58 -0700 Received: from d1-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.39.119]) by nwk-ea-fw-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id l3AHkbvG021675 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.d1-sfbay-09.sun.com by d1-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0JGA00C01MP9I900@d1-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from Craig.Russell@Sun.COM) for general@incubator.apache.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.13] (c-24-6-172-77.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.172.77]) by d1-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0JGA008OWMPP5Q90@d1-sfbay-09.sun.com> for general@incubator.apache.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:46:35 -0700 From: Craig L Russell Subject: Re: Mentors and members (was: Re: Mentors On IPMC [WAS Re: [Vote] RCFproposal (was: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF)]) In-reply-to: Sender: Craig.Russell@Sun.COM To: general@incubator.apache.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary=Apple-Mail-153-351500171; micalg=sha1 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --Apple-Mail-153-351500171 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed I'm confused. The Process Description [1] seems to be clear: The Mentor is automatically made a member of the Incubator PMC, and reports to both the PMC and the Sponsor about your overall health and suitability for eventual inclusion within the Apache Community (or recommendation to terminate). If there should be a separate vote, there's no mention of it anywhere. Is this just old information in need of updating? Or is it the intent that after receiving a Sponsor's request to the Incubator to accept a candidate, someone on the IPMC starts a vote to accept the non-Member proposed Mentor(s) as an IPMC member? And then separately, the IPMC votes to accept the candidate as a podling? The implication is that if not all proposed Mentors are IPMC members, the vote to accept the candidate is out of order. I'll be happy to propose a patch once I understand what it should say. Thanks, Craig [1] http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Process_Description.html On Apr 9, 2007, at 7:46 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Ted Husted wrote: > >> As I understand it, once the proposal is accepted, the Mentors listed >> on the proposal become IPMC members. Once the proposal is accepted, >> and the group becomes a podling, then, yes, all Mentors and IPMC >> Members. > > The Mentors being listed is interesting, but we had better be > voting on PMC > members separately. As contrasted with a single vote for the > Committer and > PPMC roster, if someone listed is not a PMC member, and not an ASF > Member, I > don't think that conflating those two votes is a good idea. In > fact, I'd > say that it is a bad idea. > >> As to a podling proposal, I would suggest that we expect all Mentors >> be ASF Members or IPMC Members. If someone would like to be a Mentor >> but is not already a ASF Member, we could always elect that person to >> the IPMC first, and then accept the proposal. > > +1 > > --- Noel > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > Craig Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com P.S. A good JDO? 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