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From "Noel J. Bergman" <>
Subject RE: Mentors and members (was: Re: Mentors On IPMC [WAS Re: [Vote] RCFproposal (was: [Proposal] RCF - a rich component library for JSF)])
Date Wed, 11 Apr 2007 18:46:39 GMT
Alex Karasulu wrote:

> William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:

> > ASF members -do- have additional insights from private forums, and the
> > ability to oversee most of the private forums at the ASF.  This means
> > they can (and do) go back to the archives to look back at how a specific
> > issue (people issues, company issues, legal issues) were addressed in
> > similar cases to help guide a podling away from trouble.
> I've done this several times and it proved to be a valuable asset to me
> as a mentor.

But not an invaluable one that you could not perform the task without.  But
this is why we had previously compromised on ensuring that at least one
Mentor is an ASF Member.

> > They also have made their mark on the Foundation (which is why they are
> > members).  That gives me a bit of reassurance that our mentors have less
> > to prove, and can help guide the project from 10,000 feet rather than in
> > the trenches, where egos can get in the way.

> I was opposed to your line of thought until I read this paragraph.  This
> a very important point I did not consider before.

And very disrespectful to those who have admirably performed the Mentor role
without having something to prove.  Becoming a Member does not grant some
magic insight.  It is often the other way around: those who demonstrate it
become Members.

> I think I would agree with you now that mentors should be ASF members
> although IPMC members need not be ASF members.

Oh?  So people wo are not qualified to be a Mentor, should still be
permitted to make binding decisions regarding the Incubator and all its

	--- Noel

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