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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:21:05 -0400
From: "Davanum Srinivas" <davanum@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Killing the incubator m2 repository
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Sorry Dan, I apologize. Bruce, thanks for setting me straight.

-- dims

On 3/15/07, Bruce Snyder <bruce.snyder@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/15/07, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Dan,
> >
> > thanks for being the amazing fount of wisdom and berating our "silly
> > idea." Please see below.
> >
> > On 3/15/07, Dan Diephouse <dan@envoisolutions.com> wrote:
> > > On 3/15/07, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "It's even knowing that you need to add another repo,"
> > > >
> > > > [DIMS] This is by design.
> > >
> > >
> > > As everyone else is saying, its a silly design. The version/artifactId
> > > clearly as "incubator" in it. People know they're using an incubating
> > > project.
> >
> > This is NOT enough. How many times should i say it? (2 cents)
> >
> > > " it's pinging that repo every time you build looking for every other
> > > > artifact"
> > > >
> > > > [DIMS] Please file a maven2 bug report for this.
> > >
> > >
> > > NOT a bug. You can't just assume that because the jar wasn't there the last
> > > time, it won't be there again. You also can't make any assumptions that one
> > > repo mirrors another. There is NO way around this.
> >
> > You need to be able to say, for these artifacts looks ONLY in this
> > repository and Look ONLY for these specified artifacts in this
> > repository. Guess an idiot like me won't understand such complicated
> > beautiful setup like maven
> >
> > > "it's not having any alternative when the people.apache.org is
> > > > inaccessible (and this happens a lot)."
> > > >
> > > > [DIMS] Please raise this as an infrastructure issue. Here am assuming
> > > > you are talking about snapshots. That problem will exist no matter
> > > > what since no one with the right head will publish snapshots to the
> > > > central repo.
> > >
> > >
> > > Not really. In CXF we don't depend on any SNAPSHOTS and most people in
> > > general tend to shy away from them.
> >
> > The issue here was how other projects use cxf artifacts like Geronimo.
> > Not how you use other projects. Don't know if you have a clue on how
> > much pain m2 has inflicted on Geronimo folks. Guess that's for another
> > thread.
> >
> > > +1 to getting rid of the m2 incubator repository. Its well intentioned, but
> > > ultimately a silly idea.
> >
> > Thanks we take our job seriously and we have nothing else to do but
> > sit around and come up with silly ideas.
>
> I don't believe that Dan attacked anyone personally, so I don't think
> that attacking him is appropriate. He's simply referring to the
> Incubator repo policy. And, FWIW, I still don't see the benefit to
> having a separate repo, especially when it confuses users.
>
> Nobody answered my question previously, so I'll ask it again - has there ever
> been a situation that necessitated this policy? How was this policy
> born? Was it voted in as a policy? If so, why is it not documented
> somewhere?
>
> Please bear in mind, I'm asking innocent questions to which I don't
> know the answers. I'm asking for someone to help me understand the
> history behind this policy.
>
> Bruce
> --
> perl -e 'print unpack("u30","D0G)U8V4\@4VYY9&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
> );'
>
> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
> Castor - http://castor.org/
>
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