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From: "Gav...." <brightoncomputers@brightontown.com.au>
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Subject: RE: [VOTE] Revised Heraldry commit ACL
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:48:51 +0800
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Leung [mailto:twleung@sauria.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 March 2007 1:22 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Revised Heraldry commit ACL
> 
> 
> On Mar 26, 2007, at 7:42 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> 
> > Ted,
> >
> > The list of
> >
> >  David Recordon (recordond)
> >  Johannes Ernst (jernst)
> >  Matt Pelletier (mattpelletier)
> >
> > is a start.  I'll also suggest that they be the core of the revised
> > PPMC for
> > Heraldry.  However ...
> >
> >> Other committers to Ruby PIP are:
> >>  Dan Quellhorst
> >>  Hans Granqvist
> >>  Gary Krall
> >>  Trotter Cashion
> >>  Mike Graves
> >
> > They aren't on the proposed ACL because of the lack of a response?
> > I see
> 
> Yes, those folks are not on the ACL because of the lack of a
> response.  If people didn't care enough to send a single e-mail
> message indicating their interest, then I doubt seriously whether
> they will invest the effort needed to get Heraldry running on the
> right track.
> 
> > Dan Quellhorst eventually replied, and I also see:
> 
> I would be fine with adding Dan to the ACL
> 
> >
> >  Eugene Eric Kim
> >  Michael Mell
> >  "Gav..."
> 
> None of these people were on the original ACL, which were the
> original committers to the project.   These three folks haven't
> actually contributed anything to the code that we've got.  If they
> are serious about participating, they can do so via the regular
> committer process.
> 
> >
> > Would you add those four, pending CLAs as necessary?  So a starting
> > Community of 7, again pending CLAs.
> 
> More like a community of 4.

A 'community' includes those on the dev list, not just committers/pmc.

There are 67 subscribed to heraldry-dev, another 20 to commits@ and 
19 to the user@, this IMO is a community.

However, you need a working community to get back up and running.
I have offered several times to help where I can, but not with the
code base at the moment , I don't know enough, but I can help with
the website and putting up of docs etc, this is usually regarded
as a need in  most projects eyes.

I have an ICLA already in as I am PMC member for Apache Forrest.
However I am not asking for commit status at this stage, if you
want my help then I'll submit doc and site patches via Jira and
someone else can then take the extra step of applying the
patches, it would make more sense that I do it directly but I
agree I have not earned any Karma on the project so far.

The few people you have so far I would have thought would be better
concentrating on getting some more code in that site/docs.

Anyway, I'll keep a look out and jump in where I can.

Gav...

> 
> >
> >> I'm bringing this back to the Incubator PMC for discussion and
> >> ultimately,
> > a vote.
> >
> >> I would also point out that I am currently the only mentor for
> >> Heraldry, and I'm not willing to continue without some other people
> >> jumping in to help.
> >
> > Looks like Bill Rowe is willing to help.
> 
> That still leaves us one mentor short.
> 
> I"d like to hear some opinions from the rest of the Incubator PMC.
> 
> Ted
> 
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