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Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:19:53 -0800
From: Craig L Russell <Craig.Russell@Sun.COM>
Subject: Re: [discussion] Graduating a subproject
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On Feb 11, 2007, at 9:27 AM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:

> Martin van den Bemt wrote:
>> According to the process defined in
>> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/ 
>> Incubation_Policy.html#Exiting+the+Incubator
>> the Incubator needs to vote first and nod to the accepting PMC  
>> that the project is ready to leave
>> the incubator. Seems to be logical since it is the Incubators  
>> decision to say if a project
>> successfully incubated.
>
> If you look at http://incubator.apache.org/projects/mod_ftp.html, the
> status list implies...
>
> """
> Exit
>
> Things to check for before voting the project out.
> Organizational acceptance of responsibility for the project
>
>     * If graduating to an existing PMC, has the PMC voted to accept  
> it?
>     * If graduating to a new PMC, has the board voted to accept it?
>
> Incubator sign-off
>
>     * Has the Incubator decided that the project has accomplished all
>       of the above tasks?
> """
>
> I'd always read this that the PMC needed to decide it was ready to  
> accept
> before incubator boots it out.  But I agree with Yoav, it's  
> probably quite
> flexible if this went the other way around.

Well, I think we need to be sure we don't create a catch 22 here. The  
incubator depends on the project's future PMC accepting it, and the  
future PMC depends on the incubator graduating it.

It makes sense to me that the incubator has the final sign-off, as  
written above. The future PMC votes to accept the podling *once the  
incubator graduates it*, and this agreement to accept gates the  
incubator vote.

It seems it's the other way around for a TLP. I've never see the  
board vote to create a new TLP without the incubator signing off.

Craig
>
> The reason to approach the existing PMC first, it seems to me,  
> would be to
> make sure the graduating project meets the standards and criteria  
> of the
> PMC already.  If it does not, the podling could accept the list of  
> issues
> that PMC identifies, or the podling could change its focus to  
> become it's
> own TLP or a subproject of a different TLP.
>
> But the sanity check of the accepting PMC makes alot of sense  
> before the
> incubator PMC is asked if everything's complete to their satisfaction.
> We can't graduate a subproject without it's TLP home accepting it.
>
> Bill
>
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Craig Russell
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