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From Jeremy Boynes <>
Subject Tuscany is still a podling ...
Date Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:16:53 GMT
On Feb 25, 2007, at 7:18 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:

> On Sunday 25 February 2007 22:34, Jeremy Boynes wrote:
>> The vote below was held in the Tuscany podling to release two
>> artifacts that are used by other modules during the build process;
>> they are a podling-wide parent pom and configuration data for code
>> checking.
>> There are four +1's from the PPMC but no binding votes and we would
>> like to ask the IPMC to approve the release.
> Can someone explain to me why lists Tuscany as a
> su-project of WS, as well as the mailling lists are,  
> yet the
> project is not graduated???

When the project was proposed, it was sponsored by the WS-PMC and  
entered incubation. IIRC, at the time mailing lists were typically  
associated with the sponsoring PMC and so were created under ws (AIUI  
this policy has subsequently changed).

I believe the legal issues and such for the podling have been resolved 
[1] but I also believe that community issues are such that the  
podling is not yet ready to graduate.

> When I responded to the "veto" on the codedump, I got the  
> impression (this is
> serious) that Tuscany had graduated, hence not really an Incubator  
> issue
> anymore...

I "vetoed" the codedump for two main reasons. The first is that the  
IP clearance process is not being followed: there is no record of the  
code here
and there has been no vote by the Tuscany PPMC or Incubator PMC to  
accept the code.

The second is that there has been *no* discussion about this  
contribution in the community. One of the community issues Tuscany  
has is dominance by a single vendor and the way this contribution is  
being handled is symptomatic of that.

I think both of these reasons are relevant to the Incubator, although  
responsibility for fixing them lies first with the podling.

 From a technical perspective, I think this contribution could make a  
useful addition to Tuscany.

> Is it only me that feels that something is not "standard" around  
> here??
> And it goes for a couple of others as well; Woden, TSIK & Synapse.

Woden is still incubating, TSIK was withdrawn and Synapse has graduated.


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