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From "Niall Pemberton" <niall.pember...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [Vote] Incubating Project Policy
Date Sat, 03 Feb 2007 15:54:25 GMT
+1 to Bill's suggestion of having an "ASF Commit Policy" - but there
are many points in this thread that would be good to be  incorporated
in his original suggestion.

Niall

On 2/3/07, Ted Husted <husted@apache.org> wrote:
> On 2/2/07, William A. Rowe, Jr. <wrowe@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
> > If they aren't a committer yet, they post a patch (jira or list) just like
> > every other wannabe future committer.  When the volume and quality are
> > reasonable, they are offered commit access.  But the suggested policy is to
> > state "no backchannel dealings with codesubmissions.  bring it to the list."
>
> Agreed, but a detailed Subversion log is also part of the list. If the
> Subversion entry details the source of the commit, cites a CLA, and
> includes the design justification, then that's no different than
> bringing it up on the list as a matter of lazy consensus. Over the
> long term, it may be even better, since the information is attached to
> the commit, and not just floating around on the dev list.
>
> Any controversial commit should be discussed first, regardless of its
> source. Committers need to apply the same good judgment and discretion
> to our own donations as we do to the donations of others.  I think a
> key problem with this policy is that it implies we can apply a
> different standard to our own donations.
>
> A key idea is that the PMC is accepting donations on behalf of the
> foundation. Whether the donation is code we happen to write, or
> someone else has donated, isn't important. When I commit code I wrote,
> I may be sheparding my own donation, but, I'm still not committing as
> the "author", but as a PMC member authorized to accept donations on
> behalf of the foundation, including those I happened to write myself.
>
> > Otherwise we'll fail to recognize the merits of *individual's* contributions
> > and therefore won't offer commit access when it's warrented.  And *that* is
> > the third part of the issue.
>
> To me, this sounds like an issue with the Subversion log entries. The
> source of all donations must be cited so that there is a clear
> providence for the work.  If we don't cite a source, then the
> assumption is that the committer is also the donor. Every commit is a
> donation, and every commit has an explicit or implied donor.
>
> -Ted.
>
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