From general-return-12944-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Thu Feb 01 03:35:47 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 88059 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2007 03:35:45 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 1 Feb 2007 03:35:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 11373 invoked by uid 500); 1 Feb 2007 03:35:51 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 10879 invoked by uid 500); 1 Feb 2007 03:35:49 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 10868 invoked by uid 99); 1 Feb 2007 03:35:49 -0000 Received: from herse.apache.org (HELO herse.apache.org) (140.211.11.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:35:49 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (herse.apache.org: domain of aok123@bellsouth.net designates 205.152.59.64 as permitted sender) Received: from [205.152.59.64] (HELO imf16aec.mail.bellsouth.net) (205.152.59.64) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 19:35:39 -0800 Received: from ibm62aec.bellsouth.net ([65.80.200.112]) by imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070201033041.XBPV9597.imf20aec.mail.bellsouth.net@ibm62aec.bellsouth.net> for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:30:41 -0500 Received: from [172.16.1.7] (really [65.80.200.112]) by ibm62aec.bellsouth.net with ESMTP id <20070201033040.QKZM27587.ibm62aec.bellsouth.net@[172.16.1.7]> for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:30:40 -0500 Message-ID: <45C15F61.2070202@bellsouth.net> Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 22:32:49 -0500 From: Alex Karasulu User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.9 (X11/20070103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Board response to January Report on Heraldry References: <499E775C-BBF7-43A7-B076-39B355E04A48@sauria.com> In-Reply-To: <499E775C-BBF7-43A7-B076-39B355E04A48@sauria.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Ted Leung wrote: > > On Jan 29, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > >> The ASF Board, by Cliff Schmidt, wrote: >> >>> The report on Heraldry mentions a "single large block checkin" >> >> Two large block check-ins in January. One for python, one for ruby. It >> seems as if most of the development is happening off-line and being >> committed by proxy. Paul Querna posted one message raising those >> concerns. >> There were no replies, and he didn't follow up. >> >>> "almost no activity" on the dev list >> >> Almost none is a tad of a stretch, but certainly nothing like the >> level of >> developer discussion that one would want to see. And that compounds when >> considered in light of the proxy commits. > > I don't think that e-mails copied to another mailing list count as > activity. By that measure spam would also count. Until last week, > there had not been a single message dealing with code that was checked > in either prior to or after the checkin. > >> >>> and license problems not being responded to "despite requests from the >> mentors". >> >> That happened back in October. The last message I see on the subject was >> from Ted in November, saying: "I sent a note about that to >> heraldry-dev and >> heard crickets in response." On the other hand, the Mentors are posting >> little more than a message a month, each, so there isn't much hands-on >> guidance. > > We've also been attempting to get some parties/corporations to respond > via off-list e-mails, which as you can see, have not been particularly > successful either. > >> >> Clearly there needs to be some corrective action, and more guidance on >> how >> an ASF project is supposed to conduct itself. > > That's not much of a plan, which is what the board is asking for. > Paul and I are about at our wit's end on what to do here, besides upping > the number of messages that say "please talk to us on the list". But > given that development is happening somewhere else, I am doubtful as to > whether that would make any difference. Late today a thread started up > which clearly shows that some amount of development is happening > elsewhere: > . > I would definitely appreciate concrete suggestions of things to do. I'd veto any alien code that is being developed outside the community. If it happens frequently then kick off a vote and see if the PPMC is ready to revoke commit rights temporarily. If not that's a pretty serious problem. IMO this is something that threaten Heraldry's chances to form an acceptable community and that would be a shame. The project has so much promise. I do hope this issues get sorted out. Regards, Alex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org