From general-return-12922-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Tue Jan 30 14:01:23 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 57621 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2007 14:01:15 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 30 Jan 2007 14:01:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 19273 invoked by uid 500); 30 Jan 2007 14:01:18 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 19062 invoked by uid 500); 30 Jan 2007 14:01:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 19051 invoked by uid 99); 30 Jan 2007 14:01:18 -0000 Received: from herse.apache.org (HELO herse.apache.org) (140.211.11.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:01:18 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (herse.apache.org: domain of davanum@gmail.com designates 66.249.82.225 as permitted sender) Received: from [66.249.82.225] (HELO wx-out-0506.google.com) (66.249.82.225) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:01:09 -0800 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i26so1844293wxd for ; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:00:48 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=r5OvUm8lomaDQcadzC4ixkBWtZbOB+C1B6Jaifr/Q+fytUXIC9td5hyEuE9zAz/Z44DHUcNrZ4sm438XAY/J9PpGWk8+Y5HXqVIa7tsVF5A/NRM6sg45qhlO1OZ0Yg2/JszHuHABMUm/TF016Uz/BStaxgjdFZCBxiPLD95dAuI= Received: by 10.90.93.6 with SMTP id q6mr8462661agb.1170165648389; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:00:48 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.106.17 with HTTP; Tue, 30 Jan 2007 06:00:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <19e0530f0701300600n380c1f1bx27d75c2cce6fac49@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2007 09:00:48 -0500 From: "Davanum Srinivas" Reply-To: dims@apache.org To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Board response to January Report on Heraldry In-Reply-To: <499E775C-BBF7-43A7-B076-39B355E04A48@sauria.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <499E775C-BBF7-43A7-B076-39B355E04A48@sauria.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Sorry to be blunt. "Can it!" - That's what we did with TSIK. There's no point continuing incubation. We are not here to serve the interests of parties/corporations. thanks, dims On 1/30/07, Ted Leung wrote: > > On Jan 29, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > The ASF Board, by Cliff Schmidt, wrote: > > > >> The report on Heraldry mentions a "single large block checkin" > > > > Two large block check-ins in January. One for python, one for > > ruby. It > > seems as if most of the development is happening off-line and being > > committed by proxy. Paul Querna posted one message raising those > > concerns. > > There were no replies, and he didn't follow up. > > > >> "almost no activity" on the dev list > > > > Almost none is a tad of a stretch, but certainly nothing like the > > level of > > developer discussion that one would want to see. And that > > compounds when > > considered in light of the proxy commits. > > I don't think that e-mails copied to another mailing list count as > activity. By that measure spam would also count. Until last week, > there had not been a single message dealing with code that was > checked in either prior to or after the checkin. > > > > >> and license problems not being responded to "despite requests from > >> the > > mentors". > > > > That happened back in October. The last message I see on the > > subject was > > from Ted in November, saying: "I sent a note about that to heraldry- > > dev and > > heard crickets in response." On the other hand, the Mentors are > > posting > > little more than a message a month, each, so there isn't much hands-on > > guidance. > > We've also been attempting to get some parties/corporations to > respond via off-list e-mails, which as you can see, have not been > particularly successful either. > > > > > Clearly there needs to be some corrective action, and more guidance > > on how > > an ASF project is supposed to conduct itself. > > That's not much of a plan, which is what the board is asking for. > Paul and I are about at our wit's end on what to do here, besides > upping the number of messages that say "please talk to us on the > list". But given that development is happening somewhere else, I > am doubtful as to whether that would make any difference. Late > today a thread started up which clearly shows that some amount of > development is happening elsewhere: dev%40incubator.apache.org/msg00147.html>. I would definitely > appreciate concrete suggestions of things to do. > > Ted > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > > -- Davanum Srinivas :: http://wso2.org/ :: Oxygen for Web Services Developers --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org