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From "Davanum Srinivas" <dava...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Board response to January Report on Heraldry
Date Tue, 30 Jan 2007 14:00:48 GMT
Sorry to be blunt. "Can it!" - That's what we did with TSIK. There's
no point continuing incubation. We are not here to serve the interests
of parties/corporations.

thanks,
dims

On 1/30/07, Ted Leung <twleung@sauria.com> wrote:
>
> On Jan 29, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>
> > The ASF Board, by Cliff Schmidt, wrote:
> >
> >> The report on Heraldry mentions a "single large block checkin"
> >
> > Two large block check-ins in January.  One for python, one for
> > ruby.  It
> > seems as if most of the development is happening off-line and being
> > committed by proxy.  Paul Querna posted one message raising those
> > concerns.
> > There were no replies, and he didn't follow up.
> >
> >> "almost no activity" on the dev list
> >
> > Almost none is a tad of a stretch, but certainly nothing like the
> > level of
> > developer discussion that one would want to see.  And that
> > compounds when
> > considered in light of the proxy commits.
>
> I don't think that e-mails copied to another mailing list count as
> activity.  By that measure spam would also count.  Until last week,
> there had not been a single message dealing with code that was
> checked in either prior to or after the checkin.
>
> >
> >> and license problems not being responded to "despite requests from
> >> the
> > mentors".
> >
> > That happened back in October.  The last message I see on the
> > subject was
> > from Ted in November, saying: "I sent a note about that to heraldry-
> > dev and
> > heard crickets in response."  On the other hand, the Mentors are
> > posting
> > little more than a message a month, each, so there isn't much hands-on
> > guidance.
>
> We've also been attempting to get some parties/corporations to
> respond via off-list e-mails, which as you can see, have not been
> particularly successful either.
>
> >
> > Clearly there needs to be some corrective action, and more guidance
> > on how
> > an ASF project is supposed to conduct itself.
>
> That's not much of a plan, which is what the board is asking for.
> Paul and I are about at our wit's end on what to do here, besides
> upping the number of messages that say "please talk to us on the
> list".    But given that development is happening somewhere else, I
> am doubtful as to whether that would make any difference.   Late
> today a thread started up which clearly shows that some amount of
> development is happening elsewhere: <http://mail-archive.com/heraldry-
> dev%40incubator.apache.org/msg00147.html>.    I would definitely
> appreciate concrete suggestions of things to do.
>
> Ted
>
>
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