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From: Daniel Kulp <daniel.kulp@iona.com>
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Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] incubator voting process
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:04:53 -0500
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On Friday November 10 2006 11:06 am, Garrett Rooney wrote:
> I mean at the very least I would expect to see +1 votes from the
> project mentors as soon as the vote thread starts on
> general@incubator, since at least in theory if there was anything that
> would keep them from voting +1 they would have raised it on the
> project's dev list before it got anywhere near asking for the
> incubator's blessing.  Right there that's at least one or two votes,
> if the project has trouble getting the remaining votes, well, maybe
> that says something about the level of interest in the rest of the
> foundation about the project itself.  If we can't get three people on
> the incubator PMC motivated enough to say "yes, this release looks
> legally and procedurally sound" then maybe we shouldn't have the
> project at the ASF at all.

I'm +1 on this, but there is one problem:

In the last couple months, I've seen MULTIPLE instances where the mentors 
for various projects (according to their proposal and STATUS pages) 
didn't even know they were mentors for the project.  I've seen responses 
like "I didn't look at it or vote because I didn't know I was a mentor."

That's definitely a huge issue.   I think periodically, the incubator PMC 
should contact the mentors of each project directly and double check 
that:
1) That person is still interested in being a mentor
2) That person still has the time to be a mentor
3) That person knows they ARE a mentor

I'm seeing too many projects where the mentors seem to be "non-existent" 
for whatever reason. (a lot of mentors are over committed)  Thus, it's 
hard to get the mentors to vote.    If that's the case, we really should 
try and find new (or at least additional) mentors for the project.

-- 
J. Daniel Kulp
Principal Engineer
IONA
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