From general-return-12029-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Thu Nov 09 18:14:57 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 59193 invoked from network); 9 Nov 2006 18:14:49 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (140.211.11.2) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 9 Nov 2006 18:14:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 71660 invoked by uid 500); 9 Nov 2006 18:14:56 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 71488 invoked by uid 500); 9 Nov 2006 18:14:55 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 71477 invoked by uid 99); 9 Nov 2006 18:14:55 -0000 Received: from herse.apache.org (HELO herse.apache.org) (140.211.11.133) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:14:55 -0800 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=10.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (herse.apache.org: domain of gwyn.evans@gmail.com designates 66.249.92.173 as permitted sender) Received: from [66.249.92.173] (HELO ug-out-1314.google.com) (66.249.92.173) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:14:41 -0800 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id y2so364429uge for ; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:14:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=t3+eXqjj6oMO09hIUO7h+/pkdIRDISWWBy5i9UWXsweIB1+87s9KnB8aIqAf/PTHVyKBHiGhjouvvQ4JxpYGVHWtmUQJ2+xPD1UA6cV19c8YWXTIE7lQh5EKf3Vmxuzb+y0I7X20Mj/WLpuXtBo1Ntn0/ZpS4Wdp+othfjWOG8M= Received: by 10.67.100.17 with SMTP id c17mr1786762ugm.1163096058689; Thu, 09 Nov 2006 10:14:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.255.14 with HTTP; Thu, 9 Nov 2006 10:14:18 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:14:18 +0000 From: "Gwyn Evans" To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: wikis In-Reply-To: <7edfeeef0611090934v21fa3a4at5749f2cb73fb1250@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8DA58330BA060E41AB52B73294034EA61488AF@amer-ems1.IONAGLOBAL.COM> <5c902b9e0611090833h76efa41at7662172c17158699@mail.gmail.com> <7edfeeef0611090934v21fa3a4at5749f2cb73fb1250@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 09/11/06, Garrett Rooney wrote: > On 11/9/06, Gwyn Evans wrote: > > > Conspiracy or cock-up? Is this a case of 'not-invented-here', a > > objection to the use of non-Apache-licenced software or just a > > misunderstanding - it's hard to believe anyone would put in a Wiki > > without ensuring it's data is automatically backed up regularly. > > Uhh, it has nothing to do with conspiracy, note that Moin Moin isn't > Apache Licensed either. It has everything to do with infrastructure > at the ASF being volunteer maintained, so if the volunteers slack off > stuff doesn't get fixed. Indeed, although while this isn't a fix as such, I'm still doubtful it's a real issue, rather than a misunderstanding. > > Just to pick up on the primary point, where do we find the state of > > what's backed up? Being new to Apache, I suppose we've so far assumed > > that they know what they're doing, but in actual fact, I've not > > actually /checked/ that they back anything up (svn or wiki)... > > Actually, IIRC confluence is backed up the same way Jira is, at least > I think that's what Jeff said when I asked him before the move. And > yes, svn is definately backed up ;-) Hmm, strictly, that could mean that neither Confluence or Jira are backed up! :-) > > On the original subject, CWiki does seem to be partially 'hidden' at > > Apache - I've tried to help, in terms of a patch to add it to the list > > of services documented at http://www.apache.org/dev/services.html#wiki > > (still waiting to be looked at, but it's only been a few weeks so > > far). An issue issue requesting it be added to the monitored list of > > services was closed as there's been a generic issue open on the > > subject since July, although with no action since then... > > If the cwiki maintainers want to fix those things, they'll get fixed. Whereas if a cwiki /user/ wants them fixed, there's not a lot they can do. Fair enough, but neither of those points actually requires any specfic CWiki knowledge, or even use, and it rather suggests that any other infra-type contributions are not worth attempting... /Gwyn > > -garrett > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > > -- Download Wicket 1.2.3 now! - http://wicketframework.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org