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-- dims

On 11/9/06, Gwyn Evans <gwyn.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 09/11/06, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Eelco,
> >
> > Here's the background: The current set of volunteers dealing with
> > infra always pushed back on a confluence install. *But* a very vocal
> > group demanded that it be installed and promised to maintain it. But
> > when the time comes, they are not there. So who is at fault?
> >
> > All infra folks come from different backgrounds and have different
> > capabilities and have different amounts of times to spend on
> > problem(s).
> >
> > I guess, we should put up a disclaimer in incubator process document
> > saying "If you bring your project here, you may have to help with ugly
> > infra stuff" and may be another item in the incubator graduation check
> > list saying "is anyone from this project helping with infra", if not
> > give them the boot!
>
> Well, the issue is that there doesn't actually appears to be any way
> in which a new member /can/ help in any significant way, as it appears
> the existing members are too busy with their existing problems to do
> reasonably expect them to take on the additional work involved in
> getting new members up to speed...
>
> >
> > -- dims
> >
> > On 11/9/06, Eelco Hillenius <eelco.hillenius@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 11/9/06, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Please turn your rant into something constructive. join the infra
> > > > mailing list and help out where you can.
> > >
> > > I don't think that's the point though. Maybe it sounded a bit rough,
> > > but I agree with Igor that a remark like 'If the cwiki maintainers
> > > want to fix those things, they'll get fixed.' doesn't give a lot of
> > > confidence that Apache as an organization takes the responsibility one
> > > would expect from an organization with it's stature. We all now it's
> > > all about volunteers and stuff, but infrastructure is a pretty
> > > important part of Apache (not to say core business) isn't it?
> > >
> > > We (Wicket) tell our users to provide patches and get active all the
> > > time, but at the same time we acknowledge that once people choose
> > > Wicket for their development, it is our responsibility that the
> > > framework doesn't get them into a load of trouble. With other words,
> > > we *will* fix important bugs within a few days max.
> > >
> > > I know bitching from our side is easy, but so using the argument that
> > > Apache is a voluntary organization. We are ready to help out too, but
> > > obviously getting active in the infrastructure group was not our
> > > reason to join ASF.
> > >
> > > Eelco
> > >
> >
> >
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