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From "Gwyn Evans" <gwyn.ev...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: wikis
Date Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:57:33 GMT
Been there for a few weeks, now...
/Gwyn

On 09/11/06, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com> wrote:
> You will not know till you try volunteering right? (subscribe to
> infrastructure@a.o)
>
> -- dims
>
> On 11/9/06, Gwyn Evans <gwyn.evans@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 09/11/06, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Eelco,
> > >
> > > Here's the background: The current set of volunteers dealing with
> > > infra always pushed back on a confluence install. *But* a very vocal
> > > group demanded that it be installed and promised to maintain it. But
> > > when the time comes, they are not there. So who is at fault?
> > >
> > > All infra folks come from different backgrounds and have different
> > > capabilities and have different amounts of times to spend on
> > > problem(s).
> > >
> > > I guess, we should put up a disclaimer in incubator process document
> > > saying "If you bring your project here, you may have to help with ugly
> > > infra stuff" and may be another item in the incubator graduation check
> > > list saying "is anyone from this project helping with infra", if not
> > > give them the boot!
> >
> > Well, the issue is that there doesn't actually appears to be any way
> > in which a new member /can/ help in any significant way, as it appears
> > the existing members are too busy with their existing problems to do
> > reasonably expect them to take on the additional work involved in
> > getting new members up to speed...
> >
> > >
> > > -- dims
> > >
> > > On 11/9/06, Eelco Hillenius <eelco.hillenius@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On 11/9/06, Davanum Srinivas <davanum@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Please turn your rant into something constructive. join the infra
> > > > > mailing list and help out where you can.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think that's the point though. Maybe it sounded a bit rough,
> > > > but I agree with Igor that a remark like 'If the cwiki maintainers
> > > > want to fix those things, they'll get fixed.' doesn't give a lot of
> > > > confidence that Apache as an organization takes the responsibility one
> > > > would expect from an organization with it's stature. We all now it's
> > > > all about volunteers and stuff, but infrastructure is a pretty
> > > > important part of Apache (not to say core business) isn't it?
> > > >
> > > > We (Wicket) tell our users to provide patches and get active all the
> > > > time, but at the same time we acknowledge that once people choose
> > > > Wicket for their development, it is our responsibility that the
> > > > framework doesn't get them into a load of trouble. With other words,
> > > > we *will* fix important bugs within a few days max.
> > > >
> > > > I know bitching from our side is easy, but so using the argument that
> > > > Apache is a voluntary organization. We are ready to help out too, but
> > > > obviously getting active in the infrastructure group was not our
> > > > reason to join ASF.
> > > >
> > > > Eelco
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Davanum Srinivas : http://www.wso2.net (Oxygen for Web Service Developers)
> > >
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