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From: "Noel J. Bergman" <noel@devtech.com>
To: <general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Checkpoint on Harmony  (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask
 for vote for graduation)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:03:52 -0400
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Sam Ruby wrote:

> Of course, one could simply manufacture a synthetic release for the=20
> purposes of satisfying a perceived incubation requirement, but =
honestly,=20
> that seems more like one of the "ticky-marks driven processes" I tend =
to=20
> see within my day job than anything I would expect to see at the ASF.

+1

In MOST cases, as Robert says, going through even a pro-forma release is =
useful.  And Robert did find some problems using RAT.  *BUT* I'll bet =
that he would find that many projects have similar issues --- and we =
probably should promote RAT as something for ALL ASF projects to use to =
help evaluate their releases.  Make testing with RAT something, as we =
have just started to see a few do, that the people preparing releases =
use proactively to check what they are doing.

> I am growing increasingly concerned with is that we (collectively)
> have started to lose sight on what the mission of the incubator is.
> Yes, not having a release is an indicator, but there certainly are
> other indicators.  No, I'm not advocating that we "rush" projects
> out of the incubator.

Harmony may be an exception to the claimed rule, but that's why I =
repeatedly advocate that we should focus on human judgment not on rules. =
 Most of us would agree that Harmony is ready for graduation.  As Roy =
put it, he'd have voted +1 to release if Geir had simply posted the =
draft resolution and called for a vote.

	--- Noel


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