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Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 16:24:19 -0700
From: "Greg Stein" <gstein@lyra.org>
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Subject: Re: Checkpoint on Harmony (Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask
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On 10/19/06, Roy T. Fielding <fielding@gbiv.com> wrote:
> On Oct 19, 2006, at 3:32 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>...
> > I'd like to ask that those who have asked for a release to assuage
> > concerns about community health and capability to please read those
> > 3 testaments from the mentors (ok, in Leo's case, 71 or so...) and
> > please consider withdrawing your request for a release.
>
> That's silly -- why would people who think a release (or at least the
> release process) is a useful learning process drop such a *request*?
> I could understand your concern if it was expressed as a requirement,
> but it most certainly wasn't.

Right. I said it would be useful to see if the community can make it
happen. I know that *some individuals* can, but that is different. I
didn't vote, I didn't say it was a requirement, just asked: why can't
you pull together a *developer* release. Not TCK'd, not for Joe User,
but something more formal than "here is a snap of Subversion".
Something that developers in and around the Incubator can try. Or
simply for (Incubator) people to observe how you plan to organize the
community to get a release out the door.

Without seeing that, you could graduate to a TLP that may be fully
incapable of producing a release. Ever. I have zero indication that
the Harmony community can actually produce releases. Code, yes.
Releases, no.

Don't you think it would be a useful experiment for the Harmony
community? Or are you viewing it solely as make-work? That you're
confident that the Harmony community will not suffer problems that
we've seen in other communities around their release processes? The
decision is certainly the community's (actually... where are they? why
is Geir the only active Harmony person in this conversation?). I'd
like to hear the community say, "nah. we think that would be busy work
with no utility." Fair answer, but I will note that nobody has made a
clear statement like that. Talked around the issue, but never directly
answered.

Cheers,
-g

-- 
Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/

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