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From "Newcomer, Eric" <Eric.Newco...@iona.com>
Subject RE: Policy on Initial Committership
Date Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:24:12 GMT
>What we saw with CeltiXFire was a piling on of a lot of people who
wanted >to be on the initial contributors list --- voted in by virtue of
having >self-signed up --- and whom had never contributed anything to
the project.

FWIW that isn't correct.  The individuals on the list had either
contributed to the Celtix or Xfire projects in the past or had expressed
a clear intention to contribute in a significant and (we thought at
least, i.e. the project's proposers) meaningful way to the new project.

Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:noel@devtech.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:47 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: Policy on Initial Committership

Justin Erenkrantz wrote:

> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>
> > I disagree.  You're conflating process with application of process,
and
> > then stating as assured a case when your fellow PMC Members would
act in
> > a manner you find offensive.
> >
> > Why would the PMC not elect "the people who contributed it further
> > access"?

> We've seen an example of this with Celtixfire.

What we saw with CeltiXFire was a piling on of a lot of people who
wanted to
be on the initial contributors list --- voted in by virtue of having
self-signed up --- and whom had never contributed anything to the
project.

We've seen two problems repeatedly:

  -- ASF Committers wanting to join, and feeling excluded

so people started joining on the Initial Committers list, leading to:

  -- piling on of people who want to be elected by virtue of
     having been on the list when the project is voted.

Putting the process of Committership into the hands of the people
managing
the project is the best solution to both.

	--- Noel



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