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From "Davanum Srinivas" <dava...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Problem with commit rights on Celtixfire
Date Sun, 01 Oct 2006 17:30:39 GMT
+1 from me on the process. FWIW, that's what we followed in Harmony
and then ODE.

FWIW, As a mentor for a specific project, I'd like to see some
activity (patches/bugs) from a proposed committer. Not just say a
couple of one line emails before i vote them in as a committer.

thanks,
dims

On 10/1/06, Noel J. Bergman <noel@devtech.com> wrote:
> Robert,
>
> > setting aside the particulars, this worries me from a process perspective.
>
> > the initial list of committers was elected by the incubator PMC as
> > part of the approval process. IMO the incubator PMC cannot provide
> > oversight if we delegate power to the PPMCs to change their terms of
> > reference without a binding decision.
>
> The Incubator PMC, as a general rule, is probably not in the best position
> to determine whom should be on the Committers list initially, and we
> certainly have rarely if ever taken the time in most cases to review each
> one.
>
> That's part of the problem.  Sometimes there is piling on, and sometimes
> there are good reasons for including someone.  I heard both sides of that
> from the same people involved in CeltiXFire (as in "THOSE people are piling
> on, but THESE people we want", and we've certainly heard it from other
> projects.
>
> This is why I keep pushing back with the idea that we bootstrap in a defined
> manner:
>
>  - The Incubator PMC sets the Mentors, who form the initial PPMC
>  - The PPMC (Mentors) elects additional PPMC members
>  - The PPMC elects Committers
>
> This is simple and human driven, delegating decisions in the normal ASF
> manner.  And so long as we meet the standard criteria (at least 3 +1 from
> Incubator PMC members -- again, this is why each project SHOULD have at
> least 3 Mentors -- and proper notice to the PMC throughout the voting
> process), it should work well.
>
> > i would expect any decision made about varying the initial comitters
> > list to appear in the private list of the podling together with at
> > least 3 +1's binding on apache (from incubator PMC members). i've
> > searched the lists and cannot find such a VOTE nor even any
> > discussion.
>
> As above.  :-)
>
>         --- Noel
>
>
>
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Davanum Srinivas : http://www.wso2.net (Oxygen for Web Service Developers)

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