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From Berin Lautenbach <>
Subject Re: Problem with commit rights on Celtixfire
Date Fri, 29 Sep 2006 20:50:01 GMT
Out of curiosity - has any such "internal decision" been made?  I can 
not find anything in either of the archives - private or dev.


Jim Jagielski wrote:

> I will defer to those on the PPMC that had "issues"
> with the list.
> On Sep 29, 2006, at 11:31 AM, Dan Diephouse wrote:
>> Hi Jim,
>> Can you please explain what the criteria was for removing people  from 
>> the comitter list? Can you also detail who was removed? Can  you also 
>> explain why this hasn't been communicated to everyone on  the dev list 
>> so far? And why I have only heard about the final  decision third hand 
>> from this email and an offhand mention in Bo's  email? I am OK with 
>> the PMC's authority as thats what I signed up  for at Apache, but I 
>> feel that if they make such an important  decision as this they should 
>> at least communicate the above.
>> - Dan
>> Jim Jagielski wrote:
>>> Without discussing anything regarding the initial list
>>> and who should or should not have been on it, it needs
>>> to be reminded that the bar to committership for Incubator
>>> podlings is necessarily a bit lower than for real
>>> PMCs. After all, one thing the podling must work on is
>>> increasing the community.
>>> I would recommend that anyone who does not have
>>> commit privs but feel they should, to send Email to
>>> the dev list with url pointers to patches, etc
>>> which serve to indicate the work they've done.
>>> As for any "internal" discussions which may or may not
>>> have been going on, let me also state that it is
>>> really against the ASF to make any sort of development
>>> decisions behind closed door, but that occasionally
>>> PMCs do need to talk privately within themselves,
>>> and any leaking of that information is considered
>>> a VERY bad thing to do.
>>> On Sep 29, 2006, at 5:06 AM, Mark Little wrote:
>>>> Redhat were one of the supporters of the Celtixfire incubator   
>>>> project and discussed with the proposers to add Kevin Conner and   
>>>> myself to the list of initial commiters. As part of this, our  
>>>> names  were included in the proposal. Both Kevin and I are  working 
>>>> on  Redhat related projects and see a lot of potential  
>>>> collaboration  possibilities with Celtixfire.
>>>> At the formation of the project all members of the group were  
>>>> asked  to submit signed ICLAs, which we did via fax and snail- 
>>>> mail.  However, due to a problem with the fax, after 4 weeks they  
>>>> hadn't  turned up and we re-submitted. This time, at the start  of  
>>>> September, the ICLAs were acknowledged and we were told our   
>>>> commiter status was in the works. However, despite several  follow  
>>>> up emails, commiter status was not given and no answer  for the  
>>>> delay provided.
>>>> Yesterday we learnt that there has been some internal decision  to  
>>>> limit the number of commiters and not take into account the  listed  
>>>> individuals on the initial commiters list. Is this  normal  
>>>> procedure? Have we been waiting 2 months based on false   
>>>> assumptions? We believed that, as supporters of the submission,  we  
>>>> had already gone through the process of arguing who should,  or  
>>>> should not, be an initial commiter, so to be presented with  a  
>>>> different result (and one which appears to have been  conducted  
>>>> behind closed doors) is frustrating.
>>>> Clearly this is not a case of "piling on", as joining the  project  
>>>> was discussed with the project submitters prior to the  formation 
>>>> of  the group. Something seems wrong here; if there was  no 
>>>> intention of  adding us (and perhaps others we don't know  about) as 
>>>> initial  commiters, why did the project submitter  include us? On 
>>>> what basis  where these accounts not set up? Is  random denial of 
>>>> initial  commiters typical?
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mark.
>>>> -- 
>>>> Director of Standards, Development Manager, JBoss (a Division of   
>>>> Redhat).
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