Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 17172 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2006 21:15:22 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 10 Aug 2006 21:15:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 12747 invoked by uid 500); 10 Aug 2006 21:15:19 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 12599 invoked by uid 500); 10 Aug 2006 21:15:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 12565 invoked by uid 99); 10 Aug 2006 21:15:19 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:15:19 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [192.18.42.249] (HELO nwkea-pix-1.sun.com) (192.18.42.249) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:15:07 -0700 Received: from d1-sfbay-02.sun.com ([192.18.39.112]) by nwkea-pix-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k7ALEauY015503 for ; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.d1-sfbay-02.sun.com by d1-sfbay-02.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0J3S00501WCB7E00@d1-sfbay-02.sun.com> (original mail from Craig.Russell@Sun.COM) for general@incubator.apache.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.145.133.119] by d1-sfbay-02.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0J3S00476WCCEK30@d1-sfbay-02.sun.com> for general@incubator.apache.org; Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:14:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:14:33 -0700 From: Craig L Russell Subject: Re: Jini? In-reply-to: <44DB753D.8000302@Sun.COM> Sender: Craig.Russell@Sun.COM To: general@incubator.apache.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary=Apple-Mail-149-843614940; micalg=sha1 References: <1154967541.7816.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1154991876.7816.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> <44D86797.2070006@cheiron.org> <44DB753D.8000302@Sun.COM> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --Apple-Mail-149-843614940 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi Bob, On Aug 10, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Bob Scheifler wrote: > Jim Hurley wrote: >> Besides the 'name question' -- are there any other questions or >> issues >> associated with the JiniProposal that we could be discussing? > > Since resolution on the name question (so far) seems clear as mud :( > let's try a related question of Java package names. The existing > codebase (proposed as starting point for the project) uses these > package namespaces: > net.jini > com.sun.jini > com.artima.lookup > Can an ASF-approved project continue to use these? > > The net.jini namespace is used for public APIs that are defined > by specifications that are currently Jini Community Standards. > These specifications are likely to come under the control of > the ASF project, rather than being governed by an outside body. > Lots of existing application code in the world makes calls on > these APIs, so having to change this namespace would be a > monumental upheaval, in my opinion. If you're going to continue the jini project in Apache, then it makes sense to me to use the jini.net package names for the specification artifacts. > > The com.sun.jini and com.artima.lookup namespaces are mostly used > for implementations, although there are various APIs in the > com.sun.jini namespace that are used directly by applications. This is now implementation and I'd think you would want to replace com.sun.jini. with org.apache.somethingelseentirely. > Changing these namespaces would have less of an impact on > other Java source code out there, but the reality is that > lots of configuration files and startup scripts in the world > make reference to things in the com.sun.jini namespace, so > the impact would be felt there. If you're objective is an open API that anyone can build implementations for, then inventing a code name for the implementation might be a good idea. In fact, it might be an idea to split the current jini project into two (the api and compatibility test suite combined into the Jini project, with the implementation broken out into its own Somethingelseentirely project). On the other hand, if the Apache project is really "The One True Jini Implementation", then calling it org.apache.jini would make sense. Just thinking out loud... Craig > > - Bob > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > Craig Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com P.S. A good JDO? 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