Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 53147 invoked from network); 15 Aug 2006 17:44:09 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 15 Aug 2006 17:44:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 493 invoked by uid 500); 15 Aug 2006 17:44:06 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 99903 invoked by uid 500); 15 Aug 2006 17:44:05 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 99892 invoked by uid 99); 15 Aug 2006 17:44:04 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:44:04 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=UNPARSEABLE_RELAY X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [192.18.42.249] (HELO nwkea-pix-1.sun.com) (192.18.42.249) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:44:04 -0700 Received: from d1-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.39.120]) by nwkea-pix-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k7FHhh8Q009527 for ; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.d1-sfbay-10.sun.com by d1-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0J4100K01VVQCP00@d1-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Craig.Russell@Sun.COM) for general@incubator.apache.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.146.30.203] by d1-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0J410087NVWUGC20@d1-sfbay-10.sun.com> for general@incubator.apache.org; Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 10:43:39 -0700 From: Craig L Russell Subject: Re: Specifications as (part of) ASF projects (was RE: Too many licenses? Was: [vote] Accept Glasgow) In-reply-to: <1155650278.14340.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sender: Craig.Russell@Sun.COM To: general@incubator.apache.org Message-id: <2FC640AC-599E-410E-B8C9-138B60A0832F@SUN.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) Content-type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; boundary=Apple-Mail-258--884522462; micalg=sha1 References: <44D28315.2040103@redhat.com> <1155650278.14340.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --Apple-Mail-258--884522462 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Aug 15, 2006, at 6:57 AM, Alan Conway wrote: > Idiotic question from complete Apache newbie: is the proposal that > Apache should start hosting specs but would still host projects > implementing foreign specs, or that Apache should stop hosting > projects > implementing non-Apache specs? I haven't read anything as meaning that Apache would stop hosting projects implementing external specs. We would have to cancel most of the existing projects. And we're circling around the idea of hosting spec-writing projects but haven't come close to understanding the implications. And it's not clear to me that the project that stimulated the discussion even wants to have a spec-writing component. Craig > > On Mon, 2006-08-14 at 08:34 +0100, James Strachan wrote: >> On 8/13/06, Noel J. Bergman wrote: >>> Carl Trieloff wrote: >>> >>>> -> Is Apache in the business of writing and publishing >>>> specifications? <- >>> >>>> As long as Apache is not in the business of also creating >>>> specifications, there will be by definition some separation >>>> between code and spec processes, and I would like to work >>>> with the ASF to try improve this. >>> >>> Wait ... why can't a specification be a releasable, just like a >>> codebase? The only issue, as I see it, would be enforcement of >>> compliance. And Roy even put forward a proposed license >>> amendment for such things. >>> >>> As you saying that if the ASF would host the specification, that >>> you and the rest of the AMQP IP holders would be willing to >>> contribute and manage the specification here under ASF practices? >>> >>> I would be in favor of such an approach. Honestly, I would >>> vastly prefer to have Open Specifications managed under ASF >>> processes than under the JCP, OASIS, etc. >> >> +1 >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > Craig Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@sun.com P.S. A good JDO? 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