From general-return-10183-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Tue Aug 01 08:13:44 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 36282 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2006 08:13:41 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 1 Aug 2006 08:13:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 74469 invoked by uid 500); 1 Aug 2006 08:13:39 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 74294 invoked by uid 500); 1 Aug 2006 08:13:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 74283 invoked by uid 99); 1 Aug 2006 08:13:38 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 01:13:38 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=10.0 tests=DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (asf.osuosl.org: domain of jcompagner@gmail.com designates 64.233.166.179 as permitted sender) Received: from [64.233.166.179] (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.179) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 01:13:38 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c63so1180363pyc for ; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 01:13:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Z3WBTk3EKvpoQ5ulxBeroWFMpTLaX+1ELTWboPTMr3RWzM+vG4qa9zqtJhpA5KDdsCgcYwhkX9wSrRJms8n0fsvP9f+7GWjLHGvTtuLiB/kNUbK1Cg+vjcJ0QSwysbgtPZEZaejh/Cv4NiQBtyF0XJPiGQkMk6qaiBA4UuL06lU= Received: by 10.65.96.7 with SMTP id y7mr597605qbl; Tue, 01 Aug 2006 01:13:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.251.9 with HTTP; Tue, 1 Aug 2006 01:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2e1ce7cd0608010113w7b14ebfex7876222924e86c78@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 10:13:14 +0200 From: "Johan Compagner" To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate Wicket In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_35073_14145054.1154419994984" References: X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N ------=_Part_35073_14145054.1154419994984 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The feeling i get from the mail below is that incubator releases are not really meant for all end users.. You really only want the users that really knows that it is an incubator release. But for me wicket-2.0 will be a full release a real release that every user of wicket should be able to use just as they are using wicket 1.2.x now. And all the time spans for the incubator i here now (6 months is the fastest many go even to 1 year) then we will release or want to release some or many releases in that time frame. And as i said i still have the feeling that that shouldn't be done in the incubator time or under the incubator flag. This is just bad. We need to move on as fast we we developers an put in the code in to SVN. Not as fast as some legal or administrative tasks has to be done. johan On 8/1/06, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > Dion, > > > What point is there in having something incubated if there are no users? > > We're talking about a balance, and most specifically about ensuring that > only users who have made a specific and informed decision are using the > code > while it is still in the Incubator. The Apache brand has a value and > meaning, and users need to know that there is a greater risk of the > project > not being around here for them, and that the project is not endorsed. The > ASF also needs to prevent brand abuse, which is a distinct possibility, > and > some would claim is already a goal of some contributors. > > > Why have releases from within the Incubator at all, in that case? > > :-) Keep in mind that at one point, *NO* releases were allowed, and that > I > was one of the ones who argued the point that you are making. That we do > want to permit *SOME* sort of release, in order to allow people who *ARE* > fully informed and are willing to take the risk to more easily use the > code > than having to build it from source control, which is what was previously > the only way. > > Maven aside, there is no obstacle at all. Download the code just like you > would any other package. For maven, an extra step or so to make sure that > the person who is executing maven has very specifically and consciously > opted in to take that specific component from the Incubator. > > And if you'll also notice, I recognize that there are transition issues > for > existing projects, particularly existing Open Source projects. > > --- Noel > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > > ------=_Part_35073_14145054.1154419994984--