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From "Johan Compagner" <jcompag...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: IRC Channel?
Date Tue, 15 Aug 2006 09:07:41 GMT
+1 with these statement.
Finally one that really makes sense in my eyes

johan


On 8/15/06, Ian Holsman <lists@holsman.net> wrote:
>
>
> you can either acknowledge that some people prefer to use IRC
> to communicate, and accept that while it isn't the best medium, or
> the one
> you would choose, it is the one that group prefers.
>
> OR
>
> you can try to stifle their choice, and force them to use something
> which
> isn't natural to them (in this case a mailing list), in which case
> they will just think
> of the ASF as a bunch of old timers who like red-tape. (and leave)
>
> I personally would prefer an established process for IRC be developed so
> groups can use it. maybe getting one of the participants to blog
> about what happened might work.
> (because like or not, they are going to use it).
>
> As for the time difference.. poppycock. I'm probably one of the most
> excluded
> people here timezone wise, and mailing lists can be just as bad, with
> entire conversations
> started and ended while I sleep. (even board meetings are set up at
> 2AM my time)
>
> I don't think we (the ASF) need to support the weakest link of the
> chain either. if a member
> can't access a project due to limitations of corporate policy or
> timezone, we should be OK with that too.
> not every member has to be able to participate in a project. as long
> as the project is healthy, I'm not
> sure what the problem is.
>
> --Ian
>
>
> On 15/08/2006, at 1:53 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
> > I am finding it somewhat unsettling that there is an increase
> > in the amount of off-list "development" being done (via IRC)
> > as well as a decreased awareness of WHY Email is the preferred
> > method.
> >
> > Too many times I see things like "Oh, we discuss things on
> > IRC and then bring it back to the list" as if the list was
> > simply a "dropping ground" for ideas, instead of the place
> > where they are discussed.
> >
> > One also needs to recall that community building can be
> > done *after the fact*, that is, not in real-time. The
> > community learns about each other in a shared, non-exclusionary
> > method. Private Email/IM/IRC does NOT foster that.
> >
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>
> --
> Ian Holsman
> Ian@Holsman.net
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