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Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:24:01 +1000
From: "Dion Gillard" <dion.gillard@gmail.com>
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Re: [PROPOSAL] Incubate Wicket
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	 <NBBBJGEAGJAKLIDBKJOPMENGJJAC.noel@devtech.com>

This seems a little ridiculous.

What point is there in having something incubated if there are no users?
What sort of a community would it be that didn't accept feedback and
evolve based on that feedback?
How many users are willing to wait 6+ months to use something just
because it is undergoing incubation?
Why have releases from within the Incubator at all, in that case?
Surely one of the signs of a healthy community is well serviced users?

I understand the 'Incubation Process' doesn't take into account what
users do or need, but surely the Incubator PMC would see a lack of
user involvment as a negative point? To me that's one of the signs of
a community-less code dump.

On 8/1/06, Noel J. Bergman <noel@devtech.com> wrote:
> > i would much rather see wicket-1.2.2 rather then
> > wicket-incubating-1.2.2 as a release. to me incubating says "not ready for
> > production use".
>
> Keep in mind that the Incubator has very little interest in users using the
> code.  Our focus is entirely on developers, and users are "interesting" only
> if they are becoming new developers.  Otherwise, it would probably be best
> if they waited until the project leaves the Incubator.  Our branding is
> specifically to warn users away, or at least caution them that these
> projects are not endorsed.
>
>         --- Noel
>
>
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