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Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 09:01:03 -0400
From: Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: Graduate Synapse - was Re: [VOTE] Release Synapse
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Garrett,

This is great to hear, one of the mails in the thread was getting me 
concerned.

Thanks for the reply.
Carl.


Garrett Rooney wrote:
> On 7/6/06, Carl Trieloff <cctrieloff@redhat.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am spending many hours working through Apache processes so do you mind
>> if I ask a few questions:
>>
>> For the graduation,
>>
>> a.) what are the demographics of the commiters added to the project
>> in the community building and how/is this considered in graduation?
>> b.) if there are committers on the project that have binding votes are
>> these considered
>> differently to binding votes external to the project, as I would expect
>> the project votes would
>> always +1 / how many binding votes are needed to graduate?
>
> I think you may be a bit too concerned about the rules, which results
> in slightly missing the point.
>
> A project graduates from the incubator when the incubator PMC comes to
> a consensus that the project has resolved any existing legal issues,
> has built a sustainable community around itself, and is operating in a
> way that is consistent with how successful ASF projects operate.  You
> should be asking the question "what do we have to do to convince the
> Incubator PMC that we have done these things", not "how many people do
> we have to get to vote +1 on letting us graduate".
>
> In most ASF projects, it is exceptionally rare to get to the point
> where you're actually counting votes.  When something is contentious
> enough to require that, it's a bad sign.
>
> Just my opinion, not speaking on behalf of the Incubator PMC, etc.
>
> -garrett


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