From general-return-9903-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Wed Jul 19 22:14:11 2006 Return-Path: Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: (qmail 29058 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 22:14:10 -0000 Received: from hermes.apache.org (HELO mail.apache.org) (209.237.227.199) by minotaur.apache.org with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 22:14:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 57896 invoked by uid 500); 19 Jul 2006 22:14:08 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 57770 invoked by uid 500); 19 Jul 2006 22:14:07 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 57759 invoked by uid 99); 19 Jul 2006 22:14:07 -0000 Received: from asf.osuosl.org (HELO asf.osuosl.org) (140.211.166.49) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:14:07 -0700 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=10.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: neutral (asf.osuosl.org: local policy) Received: from [64.233.166.181] (HELO py-out-1112.google.com) (64.233.166.181) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:14:06 -0700 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id d42so476568pyd for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.78.13 with SMTP id f13mr1820452pyl; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.2? ( [65.197.174.98]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id t5sm837642pyc.2006.07.19.15.13.40; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--1053700972 Message-Id: <47EAAF5A-4647-4647-BDE0-07F53E72BBD9@holsman.net> From: Ian Holsman Subject: Re: piling on Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 08:12:38 +1000 To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org X-Spam-Rating: minotaur.apache.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N --Apple-Mail-3--1053700972 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed are you referring to mentors as well? On 20/07/2006, at 8:09 AM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > I believe that it is a bad idea to allow people to add themselves > to a proposal as committers without first obtaining the consent of > the person(s) making the proposal. Being a committer in the incubator > is giving a person the right to veto code changes based on whatever > technical reason they deem significant. We should not hand out that > right like candy to anyone who happens to edit a wiki page. > > Podlings must be open to new contributors and should add contributors > to the list of committers fairly quickly, at least when compared to > more established Apache projects. However, the core team must be > allowed to select other core members based on mutual consensus, > since consensus is how code changes are approved. How a community > exercises that consensus is one of the primary determinants for > graduation. > > In contrast, letting anyone "pile on" to a podling while it is at > the proposal stage is placing an unequal burden on a new podling > that we would never place on a full project. If the community is > not cohesive, no consensus will be possible and we effectively > hamstring the podling before it is even started. > > ....Roy > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > -- Ian Holsman Ian@Holsman.net http://economychat.com discussion on the economy and economics in general --Apple-Mail-3--1053700972--