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From "Paul Fremantle" <>
Subject Re: piling on
Date Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:54:10 GMT

On 7/19/06, Roy T. Fielding <> wrote:
> I believe that it is a bad idea to allow people to add themselves
> to a proposal as committers without first obtaining the consent of
> the person(s) making the proposal.  Being a committer in the incubator
> is giving a person the right to veto code changes based on whatever
> technical reason they deem significant.  We should not hand out that
> right like candy to anyone who happens to edit a wiki page.

I agree. But I also think that making it very easy for existing Apache
Committers to join an project is valuable.

1) Some incubator proposals include only the existing core development
team on a project. However, some other incubator proposals include
many "new" proposed committers, some of whom have never submitted code
to the project. I don't have anything against this, but I think it is
an important point that the proposed committers are not necessarily
existing coders on that project.

2) Apache Committers, from whatever different project, have at some
point proved their worth in some way. In general I would expect them
to be a welcome addition to an incubator project. If nothing else they
have some idea of the Apache model and approach.

So I fully agree it shouldn't be a matter of "piling on" or just
editing the wiki page. On the other hand, sending a note to the
mailing list, *as well* as editing the wiki page is not a crime. The
wiki page can always been edited back again (and in fact I've had that
happen to me when I've offered to mentor). The first few time I
volunteered on an Incubator project, no-one bothered to add me to the
wiki, simply through inaction. So I favour the active approach.

I believe that sending a note to general@incubator saying that you are
a committer on X & Y project and some of your background, and you are
a willing participant is a reasonable approach and should be looked on
favourably by the proposers of new projects to incubation.


Paul Fremantle
VP/Technology, WSO2 and OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair

"Oxygenating the Web Service Platform",

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