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From Sanjiva Weerawarana <>
Subject Re: piling on
Date Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:56:25 GMT
On Thu, 2006-07-20 at 15:00 -0700, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> I think so -- an unwelcome mentor is a waste of everyone's time.
> I also think mentors need commit access, since I don't believe it is

This is the documented practice; see

"The candidate shall declare an initial set of committers. On acceptance
of a candidate project, the assigned Mentor shall be given access to the
Podling's cvs repository for the duration of the incubation process.
This is to allow the Mentor to perform their incubation duties, and is
for administrative purposes only. To be given full committer privileges,
such as the right to add new code to the repository, the Mentor must
earn them as would any other potential new committer. In some cases, the
Mentor may be part of the initial set of declared committers, but this
is not a requirement of the Incubation process."

However, note the emphasis on "administrative purposes" .. you seem to
indicate more access than that:

> possible to mentor a collaborative project without showing by example.
> It is kind of like getting advice at a barn-raising from some bystander
> who isn't willing to lend a hand.  The advice will be heard for about
> five minutes, after which the people doing the work will simply ignore
> the bystander (even if the advice is good).  Community is more than
> just being in the same place at the same time.

I agree, except that my impression so far has been that a mentor does
not have to be someone who's a technical person in the area or at least
necessarily someone who writes code for that project. Mentoring is not
about how to do the code but rather about getting to the "Apache
Way" (which is of course a moving target in its own right).

Is that not the case any more? If so I need to get out of mentoring at
least one project that I volunteered to mentor.


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