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From "Paul Fremantle" <pzf...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Release votes (was: [VOTE] Incubator PMC to approve ActiveMQ 4.0 Release)
Date Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:06:50 GMT
I like the idea of automation.

What would be even more helpful would be a default Apache project
setup, with a maven release target that builds a release in the right
format.

If the project structure started out with LICENSE, NOTICE, JAR targets
that put those in META-INF, places to put auxiliary licenses, etc, and
produced signatures, MD5s, etc from day 1, then podlings would be off
to a great start.

Also seems like a easier first step than validation.

Paul




On 6/2/06, Jim Jagielski <jim@jagunet.com> wrote:
>
> On Jun 2, 2006, at 9:06 AM, Leo Simons wrote:
>
> > (this is a rant and the beginnings of a proposal which has nothing
> > to do
> > in particular with James, ActiveMQ, or its release)
> >
> > On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 01:11:35PM +0100, James Strachan wrote:
> >> In accordance with the incubator release procedure (see below) the
> >> ActiveMQ community has voted on and approved the 4.0 release binary.
> >>
> >> We would now like to request the permission of the Incubator PMC to
> >> perform the release.
> >
> > Everytime I read something like this I get terribly annoyed. People
> > are
> > doing stuff, trying to comply with all kinds of policies, and then
> > instead
> > of self-governing they have to go ask permission. Its wrong.
> > Permission is
> > something kids ask their parents for. When you need to ask for it,
> > you're
> > not self-governing. If we're to have self-governing communities we
> > need to
> > have them be like that while incubating. Self-governance is grown, not
> > "bolted on" after graduation.
> >
>
> Think of the Incubator as sort of a permanent "member" of the PPMC.
>
> In any case, it's the release and distribution of s/w which
> is the most legally significant (well... *one* of them)
> thing the ASF does. As such, s/w release must have
> adequate oversight... Since Incubated projects ride that
> fence of being ASF projects but "not completely" it really
> requires that the Incubator PMC agree to such releases.
>
> No expects that upon graduation, somehow the project
> is instantly granted the ability for self-governance.
> Instead, when they reach that stage where they are
> actively able to self-govern, and are really doing
> it, then they are ready to graduate.
>
> Think of them as baby birds in a nest: we don't kick them out
> and then expect them to fly. They leave the nest *when*
> they learn to fly :)
>
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Paul Fremantle
VP/Technology, WSO2 and OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair

http://bloglines.com/blog/paulfremantle
paul@wso2.com

"Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com

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