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From Geir Magnusson Jr <g...@pobox.com>
Subject Re: [Proposal] Jini Project
Date Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:20:59 GMT
It's my impression that the trademark would be donated to the ASF to
avoid this problem.  I'm not sure though.

geir


Leo Simons wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2006 at 03:43:13PM -0400, Bob Scheifler wrote:
>> Leo Simons wrote:
>>> I guess this means keeping jini.org around for a long time to come, and I think
>>> this means you need a name for "jini@apache" which is not "jini" :)
>> Could you expand on why you think that?  Thanks.
> 
> IANAL and not an expert but I can try.
> 
> More concretely, "jini" is a name/brand/trademark which seens to
> be governed by eg
> 
>   http://www.sunsource.net/TUPPCP.html
>   http://www.sun.com/suntrademarks/
> 
> And is owned by sun for which there are rather strict guidelines:
> 
>   http://www.sun.com/policies/trademarks/
> 
> Similarly, terms like "apache", "jakarta", "tomcat" are also marks
> (even if not registered) which are somehow "owned" by the ASF (and
> we have a PRC committee to protect them).
> 
> When "SpamAssassin" entered incubation the trademark (which was
> registered) ownership was transferred to the ASF, so the name was
> kept for the new project.
> 
> If the "jini" name is not "owned" by the ASF (not just legally, also
> morally), we shouldn't name our software directly after it, for a
> variety of reasons, like
> 
>   * its less confusing for users
>   * it avoids potential legal worries
>   * it avoids a whole lot of discussion, hurt feelings, etc.
>   * if a project ever outgrows its original boundaries a bit
>     (happens quite often, for example lucene had a C port while
>     it was still at jakarta) its not a problem
> 
> This is why there is no java.apache.org but instead there is
> jakarta.apache.org, there is no j2se.apache.org but there is harmony,
> there is no j2ee.apache.org but there is geronimo, etc.
> 
> There was, in fact, at some point, a java.apache.org, and IIUC the ASF
> got a lot of flak about that from sun legal (and rightly so).
> 
> While its quite possible to change names halfway through incubation,
> in general IMHO its just easier to "bite the bullet" up front because
> various resources (jira projects, svn repositories, mailing lists, etc)
> are coupled to the name.
> 
> To answer another question, yes, I believe this also means that there
> should be no "jini" in the name. There's a variety of creative ways
> most open source projects deal with that, like putting lots of extra
> letters in and around a word, naming by association (so you end up
> with "Apache Aladdin" since that's about genies too), or naming through
> acronyms (so you end up with "Apache JiKit" for "JIni Kit").
> 
> I hope the above is clear. I'm really no expert. If there's need for
> further details, I would suggest talking to a trademark/branding lawyer
> or two. But usually its just a lot easier to pick a new name, so that's
> what we tend to do :)
> 
> LSD
> 
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